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to be disgusted and angry? RAGE RAGE RAGE (Rape related, may trigger)

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LoopsInHoops · 08/01/2013 14:23

You may have heard about the Steubenville rape cover-up in Ohio that was uncovered by hacking group, Anonymous?

I read a few things about it, but hadn't read the hacking group's own account. here it is

I am absolutely disgusted at the level of deceit and evil in one small town.

The poor girl was drugged by a group (having had their coache's permission) then raped by loads of them. And now there are videos floating around the internet, not only of these horrible creatures (most of whom haven't been charged, the police having deleted the incriminating evidence), but also of one admitting to raping her and all his friends finding it absolutely fucking hilarious. here, grim watching, not for the sensitive (like me)

AIBU to have had no idea that the system in a western country can be so utterly fucked up as to allow this behaviour on account of school/sporting popularity? It is so fucking wrong. Angry

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KhallDrogo · 09/01/2013 10:02

i cant process that video of that hideous boy laughing about the girl being raped/pissed on/'dead'

i dont understand at all

is he a psychopath then?

how do a group of boys/men think gang rape is a way to spend some time...how does that arise?

their parents really fucked up huh?

MrsRhettButler · 09/01/2013 10:10

locket she wasn't killed, she is alive.

This is disgusting, I so hope this girl can be given justice, why doesn't she get a lawyer from out of town? That place is so corrupted :(

MrsRhettButler · 09/01/2013 10:13

I can't see the video on my phone, I've read through everything else (its taken me all morning!) I feel sorry for our children :( it seems so many people accept this as ok!

Abitwobblynow · 09/01/2013 10:20

"how do a group of boys/men think gang rape is a way to spend some time...how does that arise?"

From porn. This is the only sex these kids know and are shaped by: getting off on women being objects and raped, and it being shown that they love it. That little 'party' sounds so like a porn film!

Lundy Bancroft talks about this, what porn is doing to shape abusive attitudes towards women.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid · 09/01/2013 10:25

And still people, including women using this site, will defend porn as being ok :(

KhallDrogo · 09/01/2013 10:40

is it ariel??

I find it difficult to accept that is the full explanation Confused Sad

i keep wondering about the mum of that boy...what she must be thinking/feeling....

notsofrownieface · 09/01/2013 10:40

But it is also their parents, teachers, the community as a whole. If this event is part of a wider set of events dating back to the 60's and 70's as anonymous are suggesting, to blame this solely on porn is wrong.

KhallDrogo · 09/01/2013 10:41

i am not defending porn by the way....just find it hard to accept that it can turn young adults into this..

KhallDrogo · 09/01/2013 10:45

but yes...where else would they get the idea if not from porn??

notsofrownieface · 09/01/2013 10:46

And at the same time I do not think this thread is the right place for a discussion about porn because it will turn into a bunfight.

ArielThePiraticalMermaid · 09/01/2013 10:48

Of course it's not the full explanation! No way is it nearly the full explanation. There are loads of worrying factors at play here. But these young men, and young men round the world, now have unprecedented access to hardcore, violent, limitless pornography. The fact that their coach allowed them to watch it in his company would have helped sanction this kind of sickening behaviour in their tiny little minds.

Booyhoo · 09/01/2013 10:55

i do agree with ariel. this is the result of porn making sexual objects of women. it completely dehumanises them. portrays them as only good for one thing so much so that a conscious woman isn't necessary. she isn't required to think or speak, just be penis receptacle. that's what it boils down to for these men. women are not human. they are their for the use of men, however they please.

Abitwobblynow · 09/01/2013 10:55

There are some things the West a completely asleep over.

I think we are in denial at how much porn our children look at, at what age they are starting to be shown it, and how much it shapes their sexuality.

Lundy Bancroft: 'Abuse is the product of a mentality that excuses and condones bullying and exploitation, that promotes superiority and disrespect, and that casts responsibility on to the oppressed.

... [pornography] can function as training manuals for abusers, whether they intend to or not, teaching that women are unworthy of respect and valuable only as sex objects for men... images showing the abuse of both women and children as sexy, sometimes including presentation of rape as erotic. The harm to teens from looking at pornography has little to do with its sexual explicitness and everything to do with the attitudes it teaches toward women, relationships, sexual assault, and abuse. Spend some time looking at pornography yourself ... and think about the messages it is sending to young people and especially to boys.'

If you read the scenario, those boys were re-enacting something. That sort of behaviour does not come out of thin air.

Booyhoo · 09/01/2013 10:55

there

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MsVestibule · 09/01/2013 11:16

I had not even heard of the case until I read this thread - it certainly hasn't been widely reported in the British media. I have sent the following message to the BBC; I'll let you know if I receive a reply:

Why, when you have given so much coverage of the rape and murder of the student in Delhi, have you not even given a mention to the gang rape of a 16 year old girl by some members of the school football team in Steubenville, Ohio, and far more importantly (and newsworthy), the subsequent cover up by the authorities?

The NY times has covered it, there is a lot of evidence that it did happen, and I can't believe the BBC would choose to omit this story.

I do understand that there are a lot of news stories to cover - perhaps one gang rape story in a month is enough for you?

Patchouli · 09/01/2013 11:22

She wasn't killed locket.
The idiot in the video means dead as in 'dead to the world'.
Apparently she found out she'd been raped the same as everyone else: through facebook/twitter the next day.

Chilling that she's lying outside during that clip.

KhallDrogo · 09/01/2013 11:28

Patchouli I got the impression from watching the video, that he actually thought she was dead, rather than it being a figure of speech. He compared her 'deadness' to lots of actually dead people.

MrsRhettButler · 09/01/2013 11:34

So he could have (at that point in time) actually believed her to be dead? I still haven't seen the video, will look on the laptop when I get home.

imogengladhart · 09/01/2013 11:35

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Patchouli · 09/01/2013 11:36

I think he just meant 'out of it'.

PoppyAmex · 09/01/2013 11:39

The BBC silence on this is deafening

here

KhallDrogo · 09/01/2013 11:52

i facebooked that poppy what can we do about the BBC not covering it?

msvestible what contact did you use for BBC? is it just a general email address?

StuntGirl · 09/01/2013 11:53

I also interpreted it to mean 'dead to the world'. One assumes because they apparently drugged her enough to be that way Hmm