Daily Mail inciting hate again.

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I don't know how they get away with this - they dodge backlash all the time.

There will be an ethnic war soon in this country. DM will be 98 per cent responsible.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2252675/Were-way-Britain-In-year-29-million-Romanians-Bulgarians-right-settle-Britain-claim-benefits-And-gipsy-community-hardly-wait-here.html

I can't believe people are still bleating "racist" at anyone that questions immigration. They must live in their own little world.

I often read the daily mail. I also have strong opinions on things. Reading differing opinions in a newspaper is not going to make me change mine. I am a grown up, I am not easily influenced by what others think or say. And it isn't necessarily a bad thing to be aware of how others think/feel about things. I often seek out information things like immigration/racist sayings etc. I like to know why certain sayings are racist, what the origin is. It doesnt mean I will start thinking like that, it gives me ammunition if I ever get into a debate with someone spouting racist crap!

I get a bit sick of reading all the daily mail hate stuff to be honest. If you dont like it don't read it and don't link to it.

Good post purple

Thanks currantbun. I have won many an argument debate with racist ex colleagues by having information.

The Roma will come here because they are absolutely despised in their own countries. Mainly because of their historic behaviour. Unless our useless government gets a grip we are going to experience the full Roma experience quite soon.

Too many experiences in that last sentence! LBD assuming your Eastern European DH is not Roma himself, can you ask him what he feels about them. I have heard some really strong views from various Czech friends on this subject which quite surprised me till they explained why they felt that way and the behaviour that had shaped their opinions.

Do you mean me, pam? He says 'am I supposed to think something specific? I don't have a particularly firmly-held opinion. I haven't had to consider it much. Presumably there is cause for people in the Czech Republic to if they want to?'

He also wants me to point out that your question is a bit like saying 'I know French people dislike the such-and-such people, are you English racists like that too?'

Hear, hear Orwellian and Swallowed a Fly. agree with you both.

Britain is very stretched and overpopulated; I read that the SE has the densest population in Europe outside of Malta. Surely introducing more people into this area poses problems.

I would really like an economy where growth doesnt just come from population growth which seemed to be the tactic of Blairs labour govt.

Yes I meant you LRD. Sorry LBD on mind. So where is your DH from? My Czech and Slovakian friends are quiet specific about the Roma.

BTW just reporting what I have been told. I would be interested if your Eastern European DH said that they like them and have no problem with them as it would be different from what I have been told so far.

OK kim, all I know is what I have been told by quite a lot of people.

pam - he's Russian. FWIW my uncle's partner is Czech and not racist about the Roma either - I think some people just are and some aren't. DH reckons that probably racism is as bad in Russia as over here, maybe even worse, but the point is (as kim is explaining) that you get to choose whether you're going to generalize about a whole ethnic group or not.

This is quite interesting to read.
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703466704575489342420063802.html

LRD OK I have Russian friends too, they generally want to leave as the corruption in the Federation is so bad now. Maybe the people I have met are unique?

Who knows.

The point is, neither of us can possibly have met every single Russian, Czech, Roma, 'Eastern European', so we can't really say what 'they' are like. That's why IMO talking about ethnic groups or nationalities in terms of generalizations is a bit dodgy. I'll admit my dad does it all the time and I know he means no harm, but IMO the way the Mail does it is kind of encouraging people to see all immigrants from these groups as homogeneous and 'all the same', which isn't great.

Btw, I can't read further than the title of that article. It may be great but 'How do you solve a problem like the Roma'?! Honestly, did the person who write that not even think for a split second?

So you didn't read it?

And LRD you wont comment on it as you apparently can't get past the title? OK.