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To wonder how a 20 year old walked into a nursery with a semi automatic

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Loveweekends10 · 17/12/2012 18:14

It suddenly occurred to me. How was he able to just walk in? I visit a lot of nurseries to visit students on placement. I have to sign in. Show my badge. Get a visitor pass.
How did he get in? What procedures were in place?

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TheFollyfootandtheivy · 17/12/2012 20:09

The answer to the OP's - dreadfully insensitive - question should have been clear to her once she typed the title of her thread:

'Am I being unreasonable to wonder how a 20 year old walked into a nursery with a semi automatic'

directoroflegacy · 17/12/2012 20:54

I work in a school here (England)- secondary and we have regular lockdown drills (1 a year?)

phantomnamechanger · 17/12/2012 21:09

How sad that it's seen as inevitable that U.S kids have to know what do do in a lockdown drill. I know schools in some places have to do earthquake drills etc, but how utterly awful that children ANYWHERE have to have at the back of their minds that THIS might happen one day.

such a sad story, like many I have cried big wet tears for those poor babies and their famileis. Its utterly awful.

Such a CRAP thread tho, Op, shame on you

Northernlurker · 17/12/2012 21:51

My older dd's secondary have a code on the bell system. They know that x rings means intruder and x rings means bomb threat I think.

WeWilsonAMerryChristmas · 17/12/2012 22:14

It is terribly sad phantom but there seems to be no doubt that the lockdown saved many lives. I don't really know how to process that tbh - obviously glad that it worked but deeply disturbed about it being a normal thing to do/practise.

ShiftyFades · 17/12/2012 22:33

Skratta my thoughts, love and prayers are with you all. I have sobbed until my eyes are red and swollen over this.

OP, I have a 4 year old that I have made sure doesn't see this, he starts primary school and there is no way I want him to feel anything but safe. That said, I am abreast of all the details having used my BBC app and bought a paper. I was away for the weekend and had no access to a TV.

skratta · 18/12/2012 17:27

I know what you mean, for the people who cried. It's such a shock to think anyone can get up one day and gun down innocent little children, just shoot them, and that one day it could be me being told that a man came into my children's schools with a gun- and shot my child. It's just too close to think about, I had to ask DH to tell me it was really happening- it happens to other people, not anyone near me, it can't be real because it's happening here. At least that's what I thought at the start.

Most people where I am, and probably a lot of people in the other towns or villages near Newtown have gone to put down flowers or teddy bears, or anything to show they care. I'm going today, and will definitely be taking my two eldest DDs (both are 11), my DD3 (8) and possibly DS1. He's five- the same age as the dead children. I want them to feel safe, and I'm worried they won't, but equally it has happened right next to us, it would feel disrespectful to hide what's happened. I'll explain that some children die, but it's very rare and won't happen to you, and some people are evil and can kill people, but they'll go to prison (thankfully no death penalty in Connecticut) and you'll be safe. Or something like that. How do you explain to a five year old that someone shot little boys and girls like him, just a few miles away?

I'm glad we have lockdown drills in my children's schools. I'm so sad that there's a cause to use them.

Northernlurker · 19/12/2012 08:14

How did you get Skratta? I have no idea what you'd tell ds1. Such a difficult balance because as much as we want our children to be safe we also should be honest with them.

skratta · 19/12/2012 20:32

Thankfully the school 'sorted' it, as in they gave me a bit of a basis. We all went into the school hall where the head gave a talk about it (to reassure parents and give advice) and they explained that they had a memorial service when the teachers explained a bit, and if we wanted to talk to the teachers about it, then that would be expected. We could make an appointment for that very day, I was about 7pm, and had asked DS1 about it, but he was very quiet, which I was worried about. The teacher explained it very well from what she said at least, and mentioned how all the children would live on in everyone's memories and how although most children are very, very safe and will live to be very old, some children can't and when you hear about those children, you should be very sad for their families and their friends, and feel sad that they can't have fun here with everyone, and asked if anyone ever had a grandparen who had died, or had gone, which seemed to help everyone because most of them had their grandparent die, or maybe their dog or even a fish. Such a big thing, it's so helpful to be able to relate it, even in the smallest way possible, to something conceivable. I explained in more detail at home obviously, and we went to the shop to buy another teddy (we'd already got flowers which my DCs had chosen) and he seemed to understand because he took it very seriously and said he wanted to show he was sad for them and their families.

One of his cousins unfortunately died a year ago in a car accident, although as an adult, and what we explained then about how people sometimes have to leave their families and some of them won't get a chance to say goodbye, but you should always know they love their families and them, and that although you won't see them again, you can see them in photographs and memories and you should feel sad for the people who can't visit them. It's so hard to explain.

Very hard when we gave their and DH's and my own gifts, because it was really then that I fully realised that so many children, and so many wonderful teachers as well, have just gone. I knew beforehand, but the reality that it was just so close- just a car drive away- to my children dying hit me hard. It must be hitting the families of the victims every single minute.

Like any parent, I just want to watch them grow up and I want to be proud of them and see them as adults hopefully and I want to protect them from anything which can hurt them. I'm glad that so far I've been able to, and that I had the chance to protect them. To think so many families now have to live counting every moment which they haven't spent with their child, every birthday, Christmas, times when their children would go to middle school, high school, because of a man, who had the chances all these children didn't have- growing up, so many more years than these children had, and because the law meant he could easily find a gun- it's scary and sickening and terrible.

HaggisMcNeeps · 19/12/2012 21:46

Maybe schools in America will consider armed security.

kinkyfuckery · 19/12/2012 21:49

ARmed security? Yeah, give every fucker a gun, that'll stop the shootings!! Hmm

HaggisMcNeeps · 19/12/2012 22:00

I wouldn't call a security guard 'any fucker'

InExitCelsisDeo · 19/12/2012 22:38

Arned guards at schools - seriously?

Just arm the teachers - job done.

InExitCelsisDeo · 19/12/2012 22:50

Armed obviously

changeforthebetterforObama · 19/12/2012 23:28

Skratta Hmm

I hope you and you precious children have a peaceful Christmas. You are spot on describing those poor, heartbroken families. Sometimes we don't realise how lucky most of us are.

howdoo · 20/12/2012 01:18

FFS Haggis, come over here and join the NRA why don't you. Someone comes into a school and kills 20 children and you think MORE arms is the answer???

I honestly do not understand how some people can be so utterly, utterly stupid.

If you have proper gun control, you will not necessarily stop these kinds of things, but you massively reduce the chances of it. Look at the man in China with a machete - he injured 23 children, but NONE OF THEM DIED. If you want to shoot someone, you can do it from a number of feet away, and you can do it quickly. You cannot do that with a knife, or any other weapon, you have to get up close and you are more likely to be brought down - THIS is why guns need better control.

Re the security, we live 20 miles from Newtown, the fact is that last week someone could just walk in the front door of an elementary school during school time. You are meant to sign in at the office, and next to that will be the principal's office. I'm guessing that he was seen which is why the principal was shot - she was probably trying to challenge him.

One thing I can say is that security in the schools here has been, and hopefully will continue to be, hugely tightened.

SavoyCabbage · 20/12/2012 01:30

Just because schools are locked, it doesn't mean you couldn't get in if you wanted to - even without a gun.

You could make an appointment to look around as you are looking at schools.

You could say you were delivering paper towels.

You could say you were Jack's dad.

It's not a prison. They were not on high alert in a sleepy little town a week before Christmas.

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humblebumble · 20/12/2012 01:50

skratta thank you for your post.
I live in NY. I have been shaken by what happened in Connecticut. I am so sad for those families. I am sad for the children and adults who lost their lives. I am shocked by it all. I have young children, I find what happened unimaginable.
My children are too young to understand so I haven't explained to them what has happened, to be honest I am not even sure I would know where to start with out bursting into tears. It must have been hard for you all.
Such a terrible loss of lives.

pumpkinsweetieMasPudding · 20/12/2012 01:58

I was wondering the same question op, but someone devious enough to kill would surely find a way/excuse ti get into the building-failing that maybe he threatened the receptionist with the firearm?

Those poor parents, what they are going through right now doesn't bare thinking aboutSad, all those presents wrapped to children that will never ever get to open themSad

A school is a place that you would think your dc would be safe for the entire day, but in this case it wasn't a safe place. You take your dc to school, you expect to pick them up at 3pmSad. I will never forget the day i saw this tragic story on the news, infact i haven't stopped thinking about those children since it happened... I just cant get over the fact all those children were wiped out by one evil man.

It has made me hug my dc closer every morning and cherish what i have.

HaggisMcNeeps · 20/12/2012 07:39

Howdoo, it was just a suggestion. I'm sure idiots with guns would think twice about storming into a primary school if they knew there was a chance they'd be killed first.

TheNebulousBoojum · 20/12/2012 07:51

Should we do that here in the UK Haggis?
I'm a primary school teacher, I could carry a concealed weapon in class to protect the children from spree shooters in Sussex.
But I don't think it's necessary here. I wonder why not? Our gun laws possibly?

natation · 20/12/2012 08:11

Oh yes, putting guns inside schools is just a spectacularly clever idea isn't it? Put guns in close proximity to kids, what would happen next? Guns stolen from inside school perhaps and.....?

EldritchCleavage · 20/12/2012 10:59

Armed guards at schools: Jewish schools and nurseries in a lot of countries already have to have these because of terror threats. I once visited a little relative at her Jewish nursery and was quietly horrified when an armed guard came to let us into the building. I've never quite got over how we tolerate this state of affairs as normal. On my university year abroad, the synagogue in the city I studied in had a 24 hour armed police presence. Utterly awful.

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