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Original poster

To wonder how a 20 year old walked into a nursery with a semi automatic

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Loveweekends10 · 17/12/2012 18:14

It suddenly occurred to me. How was he able to just walk in? I visit a lot of nurseries to visit students on placement. I have to sign in. Show my badge. Get a visitor pass.
How did he get in? What procedures were in place?

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OrangeLily · 17/12/2012 18:40

This title made me angry I'm afraid. Given that its been very very clear that some of these teachers died trying to stop that man from hurting the children. You don't need to do 'research', you need to watch/read the news like the rest of us.

Plus 'I visit a lot of nurseries.... I have to sign in. Show my badge. Get a visitor pass'????? Are you kidding?! Do you think someone with a semi-automatic weapon is going to stop for a fecking VISITORS BADGE!!!!! Get a grip woman.

Having children is not an excuse for such an ignorant statement.

curlypoo · 17/12/2012 18:40

Gosh, what a pithy thread. Seriously loveweekends I am sure that everyone works on the probable not the possible. There have been a lot of school shooting in USA but nearly all in High Schools. We have had young school children shot here and we don't have bullet proof glass. You cannot really legislate for nutters like this. You can take sensible precautions but this is so out there apart from practising lockdowns (the thought of which terrifies me in itself) there is little you can do. The guns he used were licensed and stored correctly but he took the keys from his Mother who he shot several times in the face and stole them. Apart from banning guns (which will only create a strong black market anyway) what the hell can you do? Sadly this is a mental health issue not a gun one. I would like to say I am totally anti-gun.

And you should have read the reports before asking daft questions. .

MrsKeithRichards · 17/12/2012 18:41

How awful that there's such a thing as lockdown and drills for these events.

All to protect constitutional rights.

curlypoo · 17/12/2012 18:45

Agreed MrsKeithRichards it is sad

But I think anyone that anyone who takes on the gun lobby will be out of the White House immediately.It is the American sacred cow isn't it? I am sure the founding Fathers did not have this in mind.

piprabbit · 17/12/2012 18:49

Mildly irritated?

WeWilsonAMerryChristmas · 17/12/2012 18:49

WTF did you think happened? Did you think he signed himself in and got a visitors pass into the bargain? It was a man with a big gun. Use your imagination if you cba to google stuff.

I don't think you can compare USA to here in terms of killing sprees with guns. I sincerely hope no-one from Dunblane is reading this.

PumpkinPositive · 17/12/2012 18:50

I read he shot out the glass frontage. After that, Bob's your uncle (unfortunately).

5madthings · 17/12/2012 18:52

Ffs what an insensitive thread title.

Have some bloody compassion.

As has been reprted he forced entry into the school, but unless you strip search and have metal detectors etc you cant stop people sneaking weapons in.

Its a horrible, awful tradgedy and some people should try having some compassion or an ounce of empathy before starting threads.

amothersplaceisinthewrong · 17/12/2012 18:55

If a madman armed with a lehtal weapon is intent on killing he will - he did not just walk in. Teachers died trying to stop him.

The mentally unstable and liberal gun laws are a lethal combination

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Loveweekends10 · 17/12/2012 18:58

Everyone has the compassion don't they but no one seems brave enough to sort the problem out.
It's ok feeling sympathy but what is going to change? Everyone is so bloody resigned to this.

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piprabbit · 17/12/2012 18:58

There seem to be politically influential sectors of American society who think that the way to deal with the lethal combination of mental health issues and gun laws is to:
a) routinely arm teachers
b) lock up everyone with a potential mental health problem before they commit a crime...just in case.

Both on R4 today.

skratta · 17/12/2012 18:58

Have a bit of thought.

We live, currently, 10miles (roughly) away from Newtown (we're in Oxford, CT).

The schools have practiced lockdowns. My children's schools have police walking around it. There was a scare in an area not far away that there was a man with a gun (after the tragedy).

It scares me how close this all is. 10 miles meant my children are alive today. If it wasn't for DH getting a job here, would we have decided to move near Sandy Hook? Would we be planning the funeral of our children today? That scares me more than anything. I hate the gun laws here. I hate the security needed, and I hate what happened, but he forced his way in, staff were killed trying to stop him. The school didn't let him in. The security will doubtless go up, and will doubtless go up in my children's schools too. But there will still be people killing children until gun laws are changed.

mercibucket · 17/12/2012 18:59

Everything orangelily said

This thread is really upsetting in its stupidity and insensitivity

'You have to sign in'
Ffs

bradywasmyfavouritewiseman · 17/12/2012 19:00

Its not about being brave enough.

Most Americans take their 'right to bare (is that the right spelling?) arms very seriously. To the. It would be like removing a human right.

Do we think its strange, yes we do. But would I find it strange if I lived there. Maybe not.

LineRunner · 17/12/2012 19:06

Everyone is so bloody resigned to this.

Really? Watched the News today at all? President Obama is prepared to put his credibility on the line over it.

curlypoo · 17/12/2012 19:08

Even if you find a way to stop a madman getting into a school building to shoot people surely he can just take them out when they are outside, like a sniper? This has been done before, those intent on killing will find a way. Arming teachers? ffs how awful. And incarcerating the mentally ill.... don't even get me started on that.

skratta - you cannot fail to be completely terrified, and like you say increased security for your children. Horrrible just horrible.

McChristmasPants2012 · 17/12/2012 19:13

If a man walked into my work place with a gun I wouldn't have a clue what to do, this is a hospital I work at.

Op as you work as a nurse what would you do if a person came into your ward with a gun.

bradywasmyfavouritewiseman · 17/12/2012 19:13

President Obama is prepared to put his credibility on the line over it.

I hope he does. Had something happened a year ago (before the election) I wonder if he still would be willing. Since he can't have a third term and he doesn't have to worry about being voted in again, he may just do something.

nannyof3 · 17/12/2012 19:18

He was a teachers son and the reception person recognised him and buzzed him thru

TandB · 17/12/2012 19:19

You don't have to do much research to figure out that;

a) it was a school, not a nursery
b) he didn't just walk in
c) teachers died trying to save their pupils

Why are you trying to suggest it was someone's fault? Someone other than the gunman obviously.

Kahlua4me · 17/12/2012 19:20

The shootings are indeed terrible and beyond belief, but they happen here too, not just in Amercica.
There was Hungerford, Dunblane, the man who lured the 2 policewomen to their death and that Derek Bird in Cumbria.
It happens here too even without the liberal gun laws, maybe just more so in America. But then it is much bigger with more people.
None of us send our kids to school wondering if they will survive and I doubt those poor parents ever thought it would happen to them.

MsElleTow · 17/12/2012 19:20

Prior to the Dunblane shootings there were very few schools and nurseries that were locked. It was common to just walk in, you didn't need to ring the bell, or sign in.

No one could have foreseen what was going to happen on Friday. The staff were so very courageous. The community is broken. Such a tragic loss and waste of life. I really can see no reason why this thread was needed to have been started.

Skratta I hope you, your family, friends and community are all ok.

WeWilsonAMerryChristmas · 17/12/2012 19:22

nannyof that is incorrect information. It was reported like that very early on but has since been corrected.

Northernlurker · 17/12/2012 19:23

Hmmmmmm OP - really dim thread I'm afraid.

What did you think - that the school would have a 'does the visitor have an automatic weapon' box to tick?

BOFingSanta · 17/12/2012 19:24

Nannyof3, you are wrong.

I agree that this thread is in poor taste.

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