To think the Duchess of Cambridge has no place in sports personality of the year

[Nishky]

Martina Navratilova made a moving speech about female role models so who do they roll out to present it?

Thanks Yellowtip - I shall always defer to you on all matters relating to morning sickness, pregancy in general and the Royal Family in particular in the future.

She's too bloody skinny and I wonder how she managed to play that hockey game when she was so sick.

However she seems harmless if a bit blah...

Apologies yellowtip I forgot that being pregnant a few times makes you privy to the ins and outs of every woman's pregnancy ever, for evermore.

Kate and the palace would have done everything they could to have kept her out of hospital since going in meant they had to prematurely announce the pregnancy.

The nurse that answered the fake call confirmed to the 'queen' that she had been retching non stop and was dehydrated.

You can defer if you want InExit and showme. Or you can use common sense yourself. Bad morning sickness wipes you out day after day for weeks on end from about week 6 until about week 13, or worse. Hg is evidently far worse. Serious sufferers don't go giving awards out at week eight or nine. Nancy why do you say the Palace would be so keen to avoid an announcement? The Palace would be tickled pink, Jubillee year and all.

because they had to announce a pregnancy at around the six week mark - which they would never normally do.

To be honest i barely noticed who handed out the awards but do remember the winners which i think is the important thing here. so what that she handed out a prize the focus was on the achievements of the nominees and winners.

i am disgusted at those who now believe that she doesn't even have hg - I'm sure she loved having to rush out the announcement of her pregnancy.

Shenanigans read up on hg.

Nancy my own view is that she was ott, and understandably, and that there then followed a mopping up operation. But the fact of a pregnancy would do the whole Jubilee gig no harm and would be an obvious 'amazing end to an amazing year' as Sophie Wessex said so eloquently.

Some really nasty nasty posts here.

So we are to believe that there was a conspiracy to get Kate admitted, to draw sympathy and announce the pregnancy early in order to celebrate an amazing year, to pretend she has HG (but based on the evidence that she went on stage for 5 mins to present something she had been asked to do she really didn't) Oh and yellow tips is almost an obstetrician because she has been more pregnant than most ??? and is a toughie so very qualified to comment ... Oh AND yellow tips is related to the Queen so almost like royalty?

Explains everything.

I actually thought she had a bit of a cheek to turn up after her & wills were so comprehensively busted skipping a whole week of the Paralympics and the Palace's statement that it was because wills had to work turned out to be a complete lie as she got papped topless in France on holiday. But I guess the ambassador job only extends to turning up to the glamorous bits.

Also, she is about 90% hair atm.

Apart from that, meh. She's got no accomplishments whatsoever so turning up anything is always going to be a bit of window dressing. Hopefully she actually starts doing something meaningful with her life at some point - am not holding my breath though.

I too think the anti Kate posts are quite nasty. She's not my favourite, but give the woman a break. She didn't look very well, did she? No funny that. Probably the old HG then!!
Christ almighty, cut her some slack.
Who was the actual suggestion of who you would have preferred presenting it, then? I missed any reasonable suggestions.

Flatbread, I used to rent a Crown Estate property and had to pay the rent direct into a Coutts account in the name of HM. That looks pretty personal to me. In fact I informed her once at a do that interestingly enough, she did happen to be my landlady, and she didn't demur.

WRT to the HG, I have had a brief bout of it lasting a few weeks and for the first part of that I was teaching in a comprehensive school. So being vertical can be done (although I did have to get signed off in the end, and the head was a right bitch about it).

she was probably there to make the show interesting to non-sports lovers

sp of the year has always been a bit fawning and dull imo (not a sports fan obv)

FWIW I thought she looked terribly thin and peaky, and personally I think she would be better off just staying home for the duration of the pg. She really doesn't have anything to prove at the moment.

"She really doesn't have anything to prove at the moment. "
Apparently she does, Boffin !

Yellow somewhat patronising to assume that I don't know anything about HG and should read up about it.

The fact is that she was presenting an award that's all. As for what has she achieved, it is irrelevant as she is presenting not winning the award.

Lets say they did have big sports star to present the award, say for example, Daley Thompson. I would be, it's "Daley Thompson" oh wow, its Daley Thompson, double olympic gold medal winner." Thus totally detracting from the amazing acheivements of Wiggo.

To be honest, the presenter of the awards is a non-issue. Can anyone actually remember who handed out the award to Dave Brailsford, Team GB or even Mark Cavendish (who won last year). Probably not, but what we will remember is the acheivements of the winners and the nominees which was pretty amazing. That's what we should be focusing on, not some clearly ill woman.

TBH think I am on the wrong thread as I want to go on and on about the sporting achievements not who presented an award.

No more patronising really than Cabbage implying that no-one can know anything about pregnancy unless they're an obstetrician. I think most people experience a sharp learning curve when things go wrong and especially when they have a large number of pregnancies in which things have gone wrong. Ten sessions of this sort of sickness does make me relatively clued up.

Still, these Kate threads always decend into sycophancy of the dreadful sort we saw when this pregnancy was announced, with its awful consequence.

The only time my sickness abated earlier than usual the outcome was bad, so I'm laying off now, since I wouldn't wish that outcome on Kate.

I should have remembered earlier tbh.

Jeez, I can't believe the way this thread has gone. I'm no Royalist but bl*dy hll there are some bitchy comments. This is a women's forum, for MUMs, and here we all are laying into a young woman who is experiencing a hideous first pregnancy, in the full glare of the media, and having the world and his wife bitch about her when she is still in the critical pre-12 week period. I'd kind of expect it from chauvinistic men, but mothers???? Most women who have been unfortunate enough to experience HG complain about comments along the lines of 'its just a bit of morning sickness, everyone has that, stop making a fuss'. There was hope (for a nano-second) that the publicity around Kate would change this situation for the better and educate people, but no, she is getting exactly the same deal.

Kate wasn't giving out the prizes because she asked to, the event organisers would have asked the Palace, who would have made the decision on her behalf. I think she had the option of pulling out, but didn't want to let everyone down. From the look of her she was dosed up to the eyeballs on anti sickness meds, and wasn't feeling at all well. She has no baby bump at all, and looks very thin. Faking illness? I don't think so. What will everyone say if the stress of this causes her to miscarry? Will the media feel bad about it, or will a percentage of people decide it was a made up pregnancy because she is an attention seeker?

I actually thought she had a bit of a cheek to turn up after her & wills were so comprehensively busted skipping a whole week of the Paralympics and the Palace's statement that it was because wills had to work turned out to be a complete lie as she got papped topless in France on holiday. But I guess the ambassador job only extends to turning up to the glamorous bits

Is this true? I vaguely remember reading about this.

Pregnancy differs between women as does HG. Some manage alright on strong medication...I managed, I spent most of the day in bed, taking my pills, and fighting the urge to throw up. I would crawl out of bed twice a day to do the school run. I had no choice.

I was lucky that my medication worked as well as it did though I still felt hideous most of the time.

Some people have it much worse and are tied to their beds vomiting 24/7. We have NO IDEA where Kate is on this scale. We're just speculating. There's no point.

To suggest though that a 10 minute appearance means she is making it all up, is just stupid though. She will have access to the best drugs, being in her situation, and injected ones work better than oral ones, and she may also have facilities to be rehydrated at home, too - we just have no idea.

If every woman suffering with HG was given the best meds and treatment available, we would all cope better too I imagine...but sadly that will never happen as it's intensive treatment and quite costly AFAIK. Even the 'good' drugs are held out on for weeks because they cost a fortune to prescribe...you only get them if you are really poorly. The rest of us cope as best we can.

Some people don't even want to take meds for it.

We really cannot assume anything about her condition from this appearance.

Flatbread,
"Then why not have someone who is actually working in these areas, give out the awards? For example, a soccer coach in an underprivileged area would be more inspiring, a role model and relevant to a sports award."
I agree. Good idea. Maybe you want to divert your energies into persuading the BBC to do this? I think if they respond at all, they'll tell you they're going to stick with a celeb, though (Royal or otherwise). But it would be nice if you persuaded them.

I think when people depict the royals as victims or feel protective towards them, it is an attempt to hide their sycophancy and submissiveness to a class society. They don't want to face up to the fact that they are royalists

Whereas I think descending into catty personal criticism devalues the very very important arguments of principle against monarchy. We are never going to persuade the majority to adopt an elected Head of State system if what we choose to offer up against monarchy amounts to "Ooh, get her".