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To think that if the council want people to down size then theyre going to have to help out financially in some way?

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TraineeBabyCatcher · 13/12/2012 22:17

I am under occupying my house (its what I was housed in when I needed a home) as its a 3 bed and its just me and ds. I'm well aware of the changes to benefits because of this, and have looked at down sizing (i would find a swap v.easily) but I physically couldn't afford to do it if I wanted to.
I don't know if its different with other councils but ours off no support, yet to move it will cost you a huge amount- removals, changing of details for everything, bills etc, reflooring (in some cases- many I have seen have no flooring and I've spent ££££ on this house, flooring, repairing and decorating) etc. Surely if they need the houses enough then they're going to have to aid those moving?

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CabbageLeaves · 15/12/2012 21:48

usual you sound hysterical and irrational. No one is suggesting cardboard shanty towns without water or electricity. They are suggesting that council housing is provided on a basis of need.

Totally different.

usualsuspect3 · 15/12/2012 21:49

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expatinscotland · 15/12/2012 21:49

'There are too many people in social housing who started off in need but whose fortunes have changed - yet they stay put, enjoying the PERK of affordable housing.'

Yes, because they should be instead lining the pockets of a BTL landlord and paying for theses peoples' assets as punishment for not being able to buy their own home.

DeepPurple · 15/12/2012 21:49

I don't think anything of the sort Usual. I'm saying that in this country each and every person has access to the basic human needs. The op has a house. When she moves she will have a house. She is complaining that the council won't pay for her to move. That is the attitude of one very entitled person.

Jingleallthejay · 15/12/2012 21:53

Usual was being Extreme because nobody can come up with an alternative , people saying SH should be a stop gap and temp housing blah blah but what is the alternative nobody has an alternative

usualsuspect3 · 15/12/2012 21:55

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TheHumancatapult · 15/12/2012 21:56

Intresting if they ever ask me to downsize ( won't be for quite few years ) then it will end up costing then a small fortune were talking thousands at the moment here they are makeing exceptions it for properties that been adapted for people with physical disabilities . But not all councils are

For example to move I would require a minimum amount floor space as every room must have clear turning circle when furniture in . Wide doorways internal and external A wet room . Level entrench front and back and a adapted kitchen where work surfaces are all low . Windows that can operate no good if cant reach them. Then chances are if over two floors( ds3 not likely ti leave ) I need a new thru floor lift . So talking cost over £30000

CabbageLeaves · 15/12/2012 21:57

If you rent you choose a house to fit your budget. This may mean moving/compromise etc

There isn't limitless council housing so it does make sense that a family is given a house that fits....which means you move/compromise etc

No one is suggesting turfing anyone out. It's no different to private rental in terms of having situations 'forced' upon you by circumstance

A solution? use the current housing stock wisely to try and given people who need them a home

DeepPurple · 15/12/2012 21:59

I see what you a saying but no one on here is saying that everyone in social housing should be chucked out. The op asked if swbu to think that her moving costs should be paid. Anyone that has said sibu is now being accused of wanting to drown babies at birth if they are born to someone who lives in social housing.

I don't have the answer as to how fix the housing situation. However, those that live in social housing shouldn't be complaining that they have to pay to move to a new home. The op can pay the extra to stay where she is or she can pay to move. Overall her costs will come down so in time the move will pay for itself. Considering energy costs now and the proposed rises, the move will pay for itself quicker than expected.

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DeepPurple · 15/12/2012 22:03

Human, in my eyes that is a very different situation that you would face. You aren't talking about carpets and curtains but very real things that you must have. It actually surprises me that there aren't more grants available to people who need adaptations making to their homes due to disability. You can pay for your own decorating though Grin

IneedAsockamnesty · 15/12/2012 22:04

Just because people are homeless it does not make it a perk.

It's still an essential

expatinscotland · 15/12/2012 22:07

'Or maybe build more social housing, or radically change the private housing market?'

Neither of which will ever happen in this government because they want to prop up the housing market and BTL landlords.

DeepPurple · 15/12/2012 22:09

More social housing is being built though. Just not enough in line with demand. I don't know if it's country wide but in my area a certain percentage of all new houses built have to be social housing.

IneedAsockamnesty · 15/12/2012 22:10

Deep the gov removed that legislation a few months ago.

IneedAsockamnesty · 15/12/2012 22:12

What's with all the well if you rented you may have to move?

Social housing tenants are renters they do have to pay rent.social housing is not free

DeepPurple · 15/12/2012 22:12

Really? I didn't know that. I suppose demand will go up even more now then!

Viviennemary · 15/12/2012 22:14

Well if somebody has spent quite a bit of money on decorating, new floors carpets and so on I don't blame them for wanting an incentive to move to a smaller house.

DeepPurple · 15/12/2012 22:19

Vivienne from what the op said she knew she wasn't going to be staying there permanently as she was given a 3 bed not a 2. She can stay there she just has to pay more. Therefore, moving is actually her choice. She isn't being forced out. If a home owner or renter decides to move - whether to upsize or downsize or just for a new area, they have to redecorate and pay moving costs too. If she was being forced out of a home she thought she had for life, I would be more inclined to think a little help would be reasonable.

IneedAsockamnesty · 15/12/2012 22:26

It would be unlikely that she thought she wouldn't stay there as currently council tenancies are for life,

So she would have had no expectation of having to move

TheHumancatapult · 15/12/2012 22:40

Deep purPle there are grants but does not cover anywhere near the costs and it is often a make Do . I'm fortunate as my house was build fully adapted do good as it gets and I admit at some point in future I would fight to stay here unless they can offer me something as good

Yup I was lucky painting done as new build but i still had put own flooring in

Sock Not any more around here they changed it now do anyone moving in knows will not have for life ( I hacd life one due to above and our council will currently make up defcit for adapted )

Jingleallthejay · 15/12/2012 23:13

Or maybe build more social housing, or radically change the private housing market?

Longer tenancies would be a start.

this maybe private landlords could turn over properties to L A but maintain them instead of families worrying about 6 months leases or landlords deciding to sell ,

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