in wondering what the difference is between a female prostitute and a male one?

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Yes from another thread that I've decided not to contribute to any more. But there is a train on thought on that thread that a man who uses a prostitute is a rapist. So therefore this logic is also applied to male escorts who are used by women?

Wondered what people's thoughts were.

One takes it up the shitter, in the vag, and in the mouth, whilst the other takes it in the shitter and mouth only, possibly the ear.

Yep, still rape and appalling.

Yes, I would say a man who uses a vulnerable young man (rent boy) is also a rapist.

Not male escorts though used by women. It is much less likely (though still occasionally possible I suppose) that there are vulnerable men out there coerced into being escorts and therefore can't consent freely. And when I say less likely I think much, much less likely.

In fact it's more of a theoretical possibility than a real one. And I'm not so concerned about theory as I am about the actual experiencing of female prostituted women.

A woman is paying a man for sex they should be viewed exactly the same as a man paying for sex.

In the real world, thats not how it is. Women flock to a pub to watch make strippers and its generally seen as 'a bit of fun'. When men do the same its time to LTB.

Btw, I think the term 'escort' bothers me - not your use of it, OP, I mean, but the fact it exists as a term at all. My experience is that young women (and presumably young men) sometimes get into 'escort work' that doesn't explicitly involve sex, where someone is paying for someone young and sexy to escort them. While I think this is pretty unpleasant, it's not the same thing as being paid specifically for sex, and I think probably I wouldn't use 'escort' in that context.

Male prostitutes who're paid for sex are being abused just the same as female prostitutes, just as men can be rape and women can be raped.

Technically UK law states that a woman cannot rape someone, but I think in the context of paid-for sex, this is absurd.

You live in a different 'real world' from me, brady. Not dismissing your experience, but there's plenty of 'real world' out there that isn't like your experience, too.

Women using male escorts is very popular.

I used to work in a 5 star hotel, and you would see the same young men with different women week after week.

I am still in touch with 2 of them, though they no longer have sex for money.

See, what I think is that this is not a black and white issue.

There are professional prostitutes who do not have a pimp and who make quite a lot of money from what they do and have no problems with it. They have a list of regular clients are quite happy doing what they do.

There are also prostitutes who are there because they need to feed their habit, or they are being abused themselves, usually by men but not always and yes, you could say that she is incapable of giving consent because she is under a form of duress.

Then there are male rent boys. Some of these are professional men who prostitute their bodies and are happy to do so and some are not.

The professional male escorts are on the increase and are used by women. Some are students trying to pay off a student loan, some are illegal immigrants. Most are hired through an agency. I'm pretty sure that not all of them want to do that job, so are they being raped by these women?

Sorry LRD, my terming may not be correct. The term escorts appears to be used more to describe male prostitutes than women. But I agree with your post.

Brady, yes that is interesting. Women watching male strippers versus men watching female strippers. Why is it different?

LRD

Which bit? that its ok for women to watch male strippers?

Or that women want to leave/ are told to leave the bastard because their husband has gone to a female strip club.

Oh, I wasn't criticising your usage of the term - as I think it is the term generally used - but more the implications of that term. Did that make any sense? Maybe not!

I do think it's pretty black-and-white to me. I do think that it's unacceptable to pay for sex, and anyone who pays for sex is accepting that the person they're paying wouldn't choose to do it otherwise, so they're abusing that person. That's my view.

I am sure there are varying degrees of awfullness to how that prostitution is carried out. My brother has worked with prostituted women and has some very upsetting stories about it, but he's also had women tell him that they know far worse that's happened to other prostitutes - I think basically every time you think you've heard the worst, there will be something out there more twisted.

But that doesn't mean any of it is ok, or less rape.

I don't honestly believe the 'happy hooker' myth. I don't mean by that, I don't believe you couldn't, if you tried, drag up a handful of Brooke Magnanti types who will tell you what a fabulous time they had of it all.

But that is rather like someone saying 'well, I'm a mugger, and I've met a bloke who's into S&M and enjoys getting beaten up, so that's ok, right?'

It's not ok.

brady - I don't know women or men who go to strip clubs. The only man I knew of who wanted to, I'm very glad not to know any more, but his wife was extremely happy with it, so I doubt anyone would have to her to leave him ... it would have made no sense.

LRD, I DO know of women who go to watch male strippers. It's considered perfectly ok to book a male stripper on a hen do and subject him to all sorts of abuse. It's also seen as ok for a hen party group to go out wearing stupid fairy wings, L plates and bunny ears and shout lewd things to passing men, embarrass young waiters with vibrators and generally behave like arseholes. I have seen this first hand and often thought that men would be reported if they did that but whilst many people might raise their eyebrows, women tend to get away with it.

And yes, there are a growing number of women who use male prostitutes.

Also, baying women watching male strippers is not pretty. Even adverts for some shitty chocolate make fun of it now. All considered acceptable and of course that ad would not reverse the roles - can you imagine the outcry?

As I said before - I'm not dismissing this experience, merely making the point that it's not 'real life', but someone's experience of 'real life'.

If you don't like it, don't associate with people who do it or give them an earful about it, maybe? It works for me, but then I am an arsey type.

You're preaching to the choir about the adverts, btw, yes!

As OP said.

Take the shitty chocolate ad. Its deemed funny for the women to be waiting to watch male strippers. Had the ad been a bunch of men waiting for a pole dancer, I doubt it would have been allowed.

I am not friends with people who watch male strippers regularly either. But i really don't think anyone can deny that watching male strippers is (as i said before generally ) seen as a 'bit of fun'.

I would say that society views male strippers and female strippers differently. The use of it on a tv ad without loads of complaints shows that.

I'd never thought about it as rape before... it just gets more and more vile.

I actually feel sick.

I don't think watching male strippers is generally seen as a bit of fun.

I do think society differs, but I'm not convinced it's quite as black and white as you imply.

I don't see it as a bit of fun either. I see it as degrading for both the women watching and the men participating. It's humiliating, esp when you have a group of women shouting really lewd things to you and being quite aggressive with it.

Generally men just leer. More perverted maybe? But it doesn't mean that one is better than the other.

I've no idea what men/women do differently but agree completely, one isn't better than the other.

I think it's part of this very dubious culture of 'empowerment', where women are encouraged to feel all subversive and naughty for taking the worst bits of lad culture. It's a pile of shite.