to think Rotherham council have lost the plot over UKIP foster-carers?

[londonone]

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I really really hope there is more to this than is being reported, otherwise I am utterly speechless.

This is why people worry about Ukip members fostering children. Because their candidates are often bigots

Apologies mincy, that was meant for Brady, I'm having two conversations at once.

MincyPie

(But please continue calling my teenage daughter a bigot for her sourced opinions,

If her opinions are intolerant of other views, then she's still a bigot regardless of the source of those opinions.

That's the definition of bigotry.

The definition of bigotry is not, as the Left would have it, "Someone Who Disagrees With Us".

Have the children been placed as a family unit together in a suitable permanent foster home, does anyone know?

:(

Brady, UKIP said this immediately

Ukip has distanced itself from his comments, insisting it was not against gay adoption.

The party?s London chairman, David Coburn, who is gay, said: ?We entirely, wholeheartedly support equal rights for couples regardless of their sexuality.?

Read more: www.metro.co.uk/news/919085-culture-spokesman-for-ukip-says-gay-adoption-is-child-abuse#ixzz2DQeZe8p6

I've just read that the couple were given 20 minutes notice before the children were taken.
:(

Pessary, I already posted that UKIP quotation earlier at 1203, but it is pointless, we are wasting our time, sadly.

One of the defining characteristics of British society is its tolerance of differing beliefs and the freedom of expression that we all enjoy. Some on here only seem to like these freedoms when they coincide with their own views.

It also is totally irrelevent whether UKIP are for or anti gay marriage because we do not know what the couple's views are on this (or immigration or anything else). The couple should be judged on their actions as foster carers, which have been described by the council's spokeswoman, Joyce Thacker, as 'exemplary'. I hope that the people on here who assume that the couple in question are bigoted are not judged so readily themselves.

I have also read that the couple used to be Labour supporters but have become disillusioned withe them, as many people in deprived working class areas like Rotherham have. If they had carried on supporting Labour then they would still be fostering the children - how does switching their political allegence make them unfit? This is just crazy and symptomatic of the warped thinking of many on the left.

And before MincyPie (or her teenage daughter) accuse me of being or copying Melanie Phillips, I would just like to state that I do not Read the Mail, Telegraph or any right wing newspaper (except to laugh at it). I do not support UKIP, the BNP or the Conservatives. I have never voted for any party other than Labour, LibDem or Green. However, I do hold our rights of freedom of expression above any political views that I may have. This is a terrible decision and not just because it is not in the interests of the children involved.

If, God forbid, I were to lose my children I would prefer, as a white, Catholic Tory, have them brought up by a black Labour-voting atheist couple who were warm, loving and decent then have them removed because their ethnic/religious/cultural 'rights' were being infringed.

Oh how good of you . Please tell me when a black labor voting atheist last attempted to have you kicked out of the country or infringe on your human rights? Oh never? yeah, that's what I thought. So itsnt quite the same is it.

Haloween - that comment is so stupid that it does not really deserve a response.
The couple in question have also not tried to kick anyone out of the country - in fact they offered a loving environment for vulnerable kids.

I agree with everything you have said ElBurro, especially about freedom of expression. We may not agree with or like some views others hold, but it essential they are allowed to express them.

Offense is a necessary price we pay for free speach.

speech

I agree with ElBurro too. I think it's a mighty shame that these children have now been split up :( and as experienced foster carers I am sure they have been through extensive dignity, discrimination etc etc training

Wonder what will happen in the by-election.

Labour should be screwed on to win, but there are a few other possibilities, one that seems plausible is Respect taking much of Labour's Muslim vote base and this splitting the left enough to allow UKIP in.

Unlikely though.

Joan I hope it shakes the established parties, they have taken the electorate for granted for too long, that goes for all the 3 traditional parties.

I am pretty sure Labour will win though, they are throwing everything including the kitchen sink at it now, bussing people up from London HQ etc. They must be really rattled.

MincyPie - i agree with you but after being called ''seriously deluded'' by the very pleasant PessaryPam at 00:14:17 I realise i'm not up for a debate against people who won't listen & who result to personal insults.

You & your daughter know how to explain things better so thanks for trying to make people understand.

I am very pleasant ta very much

I'm shocked that there are people on MN defending the SS' decision to remove, and separate, these children, to be perfectly honest.

What comforts me a bit is that they are clearly a tiny minority of opinion and are going against the overwhelming reaction of the British media and public who are, rightly, horrified, at this decision.

The mind truly boggles that people can think this was the right thing to do in the circumstances.

Mincy Pie , your daughter and Latara-
I've had a moment of lucid clarity.
I've taken the liberty of contacting those responsible nationally for vetting foster carers and they've wisely agreed to add an obligatory tick box requiring applicants to state that they whole-heartedly agree with all views held by yourselves.

I'm sure you'll approve, the only thing is that the addition of this tick box requires the document to exceed their statutory word limit, so they've had to delete the part affirming that above all things they will provide a loving stable home.

exactly Mama Mary. quite scary

Ha ha willow. And Mama Mary I am not surprised sadly.

The couple involved are about to be interviewed on C5 news - should be interesting

the sw involved can't talk to media,professional code and employment contract
we don't know full story this is v one sided
may need to wait to case review