to have got angry at her? hair dye kid ?

[TysonsMummy]

this woman in the cresh said it can be bad for toddles if you put dye in there hair but on tyson its only a little bit of semi permenant on the tips of his hair its got no bad chemicals in its 1 that dont contain them !! my child my rules i was like well im sure your not perfect yourself no way and she was like im just saying i said WELL DONT JUST SAY cuz i dont want to hear your shit !! and then i said about how i like her childs coat and it looks like tysons and she couldnt take the complament i can tell

would get a better reaction. Oops, pressed "send" too soon! Sorry!

titty I do know what you mean. It's a bit much. God knows I can be the judgiest person alive where there things like this are concerned, and I do a good bit of pearl clutching and lifting my nose aloft but once the OP has had a kicking I don't take any pleasure in seeing the prolonged goading of a wounded and defenceless animal. It is beneath us. It's not as if she has done something wicked - merely stupid.

And frankly, it's not making any difference is it? She doesn't get it and she probably never will.

What I don't really understand is why some people like that stick around on MN in the first place. She must feel like a lone goat in a field of hyenas.

(sorry for so many animal analogies.)

There is another poster of a similar ilk on MN at the moment, who gets shot down in flames every time she opens her mouth. Which is hardly surprising as some of what she says is truly terrifying and she will be a mother soon.

I really do have to fight the urge to drop her a polite PM pointing her in the direction of Netmums, for all our sakes.

I had to stop reading as my eyes were hurting.

True story though, my sister dyed my DS1s hair blue. She had the dye cooking on her hair and gave him a cuddle and it rubbed off on him (he was about 18m at the time).
Its okay though, it was organic vegetable dye and she has assured me it doesn't contain any chemicals such as oxidane, hydrogen-hydroxide, or that one mentioned upthread.

The fairy liquid my mum used to get it off though was full of chemicals

Fellatio - totally agree with you, every word.

Honestly? The reason certain people are hounded off MN is because people (subconsciously) want to maintain the demographic/status quo. . There are places for everyone on t'interweb but not everyone is suited to every forum.

I also hate it when someone takes a good kicking - BUT we also have to remember, it's not like we are sitting in a room together. We can't control who's going to post what and when. So sometimes when someone gets pages of 'YABU' it isn't because the pack of vipers is launching a group attack but because they are having the same thought at about the same time.

Btw loving the animal metaphors. Keep up the good work.

Two points I'd like to make, one is you can't point her in the direction of Netmums, as she has already said she has been banned, and secondly, she's got everyone on their "judgmental highhorse" because she is doing things to her child that the child is NOT old enough to object about. Ear piercing and hair dye to most of us is NOT acceptable. And I'm with the other person who made the comment about piercing. Our children are not accessories that we can fashion to look pretty, our children are perfect exactly as they are and are not in need of embellishment IMVHO.

I had 6 inch roots(!) from the last semi permanent dye I had put on my head in the hair dressers.

I've got a sachet of Wella Shaders & Toners here which is a wash in, wash out hair dye that's supposed to last up to 3 washes (Lasts 1 wash for me, Weeks for my DM who has really porous hair). Here's the ingredients list for the plum shade:

Aqua (Water)
Sodium Laurareth Sulfate (Found in shampoo, soap, etc)
PEG-3 Distearate (Low concerns re: Organ System Toxicity)
Sodium Chloride (Salt)
Cocamidopropyl Betaine (Associated with Irritation & Allergic Contact Dermatitis)
Alcohol Denat (Moderate Concerns re: Organ System Toxicity)
PEG-200 Hydrogenated Glyceryl Palmate (Low concerns re: Organ System Toxicity)
PEG-7 Glyceryl Cocoate (Low concerns re: Organ System Toxicity)
HC Red No. 3
Parfum
HC Blue No. 2
Polyquaternium-10 (Low concerns re: Ecotoxicity)
Methylparaben (High concerns re: Endocrine (reproductive system) disruption, Moderate concerns re: Biochemical or cellular level changes)
Sodium Hydroxide (Moderate concerns re: Organ System Toxicity, Low concerns re: Irritation of Skin, Eyes or Lungs)
HC Red No. 10
Sodium Benzoate (Low concerns re: Organ System Toxicity)
Propylparaben (High concerns re: Endocrine disruption, Low concerns re: Ecotoxicity)
Potassium Phosphate (Salt)
Benzoic Acid (Low concerns re: Organ System Toxicity)
HC Red No. 11
Butulphenyl Methylpropional (High Concerns re: Persistence and bioaccumulation, Moderate Concerns re: Organ System Toxicity, Low Concerns re: Endocrine disruption)
Tocopherol (Natually occuring chemical compound related to Vitamin E)

I don't think I would be happy putting this stuff on my child's hair unless it was their decision and they were capable of going into a shop to buy it themselves. Christ, I've now got second thoughts about using it on myself!!!

OP, YABU. You are right that your son and your future daughter are your responsibility, but that means you should act responsibily towards them. You say that it was only on the tips, but the dye could easily have come into contact with his skin even if you'd used a cap (which I doubt a 3yo would stay still for long enough). You were also BU for swearing at the lady at the creche (staff or fellow parent?) as she may have just wanted to let you know that it's not advised to colour young children's hair.

Wow. I don't use hair dye because I'm too lazy. I am now very glad I don't! That was a very enlightening post, Enfy.

This thread is MN at its worst and I don't mean the OP. Vile bullying because someone is perceived to not be literate or middle class enough. If my children picked in someone in this manner I would be furious.

I feel quite ashamed to be part of a website that has members who seem proud if the fact that they can hound others away because they are not of that calibre. Why should the OP go elsewhere?

She is a Mum, this is mumsnet, it is turning into smugsnet.

Wow just wow.

She shouldn't go elsewhere, you are right, but if she comes onto a forum such as this, and makes a comment like the one she has, she should expect some criticism. People keep throwing the word "judgmental" about, when actually, it is people on here stating THEIR opinion, that is not being judgmental. We are all different and have different views and opinions, the person who started this thread has misguided ones in my opinion, doesn't make her a bad parent. I just object, very strongly, to people using their children as fashion accessories, and this smacked of exactly that.

Arisbottle did you think the OP was real?

Three is absolutely no way that the op is real. It is a snide, unfunny, snobbish caricature- an aunt Sally for the Boden wearing, Waitrose shoppers to laugh at. Very unpleasant.

Either the OP is a troll in which case she is being deeply unpleasant or she is real in which case a lot of other posters have also been vile.

Being far too common to be a regular MNer I know lots of women who could be the OP.

Whichever this holds an unpleasant light to the reality of some parts of this site.

I would rather keep my children away from someone who publically ridiculed someone else for their standard of literacy.

Can you catch wackiness?

Arisbottle, im in complete agreement, and Im a bit relieved that im not the only one that feels like this. TBH, it didn't even enter my mind that the op could be a troll, but if she was, it actually in my mind makes this thread and the replies even worse!

This is actually why i started the other thread, I didn't want to hijack this one, but this thread really was disgusting reading for me.

"i would not want op and her wacky parenting style anywhere near me or my children"

Eh??

Btw you have a seriously appropriate nickname

I'd say this was very TYPICAL of a MN thread TBH, from what I've read in the past, and from what I've had by way of feedback from members in the past. In case you hadn't noticed, its a forum full of women, that can only have one outcome, lots and lots of bitchiness, not to mention some men hatred thrown in for good measure. Also, lets not forget that parenting and children are always touchy topics that we are NEVER going to all agree on.

"In case you hadn't noticed, its a forum full of women, that can only have one outcome, lots and lots of bitchiness"

Seriously? You think that's specific to women?

No, but it is typical of women...we are ALL capable of it, lets be honest.

How lovely, Joulessupamum. If you have such a low view of women, what on earth are you doing here?

I wasn't too impressed with the attitude on that thread either though. I'd hate people with low literacy skills to be too intimidated to post here. Having said that, posters who go around correcting grammar and spellling outside Pedants' Corner are jumped on fairly often.

Oh, and Empress, I'm here because I have an opinion too....and I'm laughing at people shouting about others being judgmental and all that jazz, when it all sounds like the pot calling the kettle black to me! You don't like my opinions, that's fine, but don't ask me why I am here just for having the opinion that women (all of them) can be bitchy, that is not a low opinion of women, it's a fact.

I have three teenage daughters. I know how bitchy us females can be. Especially certain times of the month.

I have only ever once, in my life, come across someone who is serene and non-judgmental. I am in awe of her as I know I could never be that way.

However, please don;t forget that how people say things (well, type) and how you read them can be far apart on how they are meant.

I do believe that how you read something is indicative of your personality. If I am in a bad mood I can read a post and hear it in my head being really nasty and bitchy. In a good mood tho, the same post can be read as very tongue in cheek and humorous.

That is why I often litter my posts with and and . I find it gets my posts across as I mean them to sound

I am not bitchy and know very few women who are

There is no sticking out tongue emote, that is by far my favorite, I'll have to start using and then.