to be sad that we are not going to get women bishops?

[grovel]

Bugger

QuotAs not quotes - damn you autocorrect

I am not religious but feel very angry on behalf of the many wonderful women vicars out there.

What I really can't understand is how they are allowed to get around the law like this?? Surely this is illegal.

I'm not sad, I'm fucking angry (as is my dh)

It's not scriptural, it's not historically accurate - women had full leadership roles in the early church - it's just that simple. It's protectionist and mysognist and they're fucking arses.

I urge anyone who is pissed off to pop over to the Methodist church - who don't have bishes but do have women at all levels of leadership.

I get what you're saying, laurie, but I don't want to be methodist, I want my Church to sort its act out.

(Not having a go at you, you understand, just so fucked off and sad they've not sorted it out.)

I prefer the Goddess.... so do I suburbophobe I cringe at the way male dominated religions treat women, it is not equal.

With lrd . Bloody house of laity. saddened. I can see why though sort of - schism isn't a good thought.

We're very equal rights over here in the atheist corner. However, mean piss-taking aside, I feel very sorry for the people who are religious and have to deal with this nonsense. WWJD? Not be a sexist pig, I'd imagine.

Nicely put mrstp.

Disappointed in the CoE. Again.

Some fucking unGodly swearing was required, and will be followed by some unwise wine and ranting.

What happens then if a woman priest applies for a vacant bishop post?

And who makes up the lay vote, btw? Can any member of the church vote? And if so, what was the turnout, i.e. did it fail on apathy, or on opinion?

I know I could google, but it's confusing

I am so FUCKING furious

And I am not even religious

I cannot understand what they are doing. How could any woman go to church on Sunday now and put money in the collection box? Surely this is a serious blow to the church

The CofE has much bigger problems than women bishops, if this is anything to go by: chriskidd.co.uk/2012/11/14/49-of-uk-anglicans-believe-there-is-a-god/

But stupidity like this is exactly why I turned my back of religion

ridiculous.

You'd expect this sort of antiquated, sexist, non-sensical bollocks from the catholic church but had higher hopes for the Anglican one

I'm CofE and really fucking pissed off.

The ordained Church hierarchy voted yes. A minority of lay members voted no. Fuckem, I say.

Maybe you should all turn your back on cofe. This is what it boils down to after all

No, I don't think it is.

This is appalling.

So disappointed. I was brought up Catholic, but now attend a CofE church (although my DCs attend a Catholic school, hypocrite that I am). I think the most disappointing thing is that so many lay people that have voted against this. Does anybody know if/when this will be reviewed?

The thing is, it ISN'T a job like any other. Religion might be a powerful force, but it is exempt from all rules of common sense, logic, etc that any sane and healthy society should be adhering to.

Which is why religion shouldn't be allowed a controlling voice in our democracy.

It could be scriptural. Didn't St Paul say that women should be silent in church and in submission to their husbands? But most churches have modernised their way of thinking since St Paul was writing well over 1000 years ago and society has moved on a lot. So just as we don't shun women during periods or stone people to death, the idea of women being voiceless is abhorrent to many Christians now. That said, my mum's church doesn't allow women to serve at the altar or even to be readers and none of them would have it any other way.

I urge anyone who is pissed off to pop over to the Methodist church - who don't have bishes but do have women at all levels of leadership

I've been encouraging disaffected CofE folk to take a look at the URC, they've had women at all levels for yonks and want to be allowed to perform marriages for gay couples.

Hmm I don't know. How is this going to affect you? Do you go to church?

Serious misjudegment.

Watching the news this evening I felt so sorry for all those in support of women bishops. It's ok for women to do all the hard work 'on the ground' so to speak but they're unable to take part in any of the glory or any of the decision making?

Effective way to alienate a large proportion of your congregation though!

I don't go to church but I'm sad that our State religion can perpetuate gender discrimination in the 21st century. That such an organisation is in a position of privelige. That none of the automatic seats that the church gets in the House of Lords is likely to be filled by a woman - an unholy combination of privelige and discrimination.

If we were a secular state without an established church, I'd be sorry for the women who can't be bishops if they wish to be, but otherwise it would be none of my business.