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To detest children in need?

197 replies

Smeeeinit · 16/11/2012 20:27

The show that takes my precious eastenders away from me NOT what it stands for.
The whole terry Wogan/gabby roslin thing makes me want to rip my eyes out ..
I don't need to watch a bunch of non slebs doing shit to know what's happening in the world.
However I do give a good wedge every year... I'm not a total fucker!

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Smeeeinit · 16/11/2012 23:47

i detest the show.... End of.
I couldn't give a flying fuck who's dad is presenting it or what you think of me for not liking it.
FYI the reason I detest it SO much is that it's like watching a rerun of my childhood. I've no guilt in not watching, at no point have I said the cause is wank and I did state that i donate.
Now Argue amongst yourselves. I'm outta here.

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Startail · 16/11/2012 23:47

For god sake if you don't like it don't watch, but stop moaning and stop bringing politics into it.

Central or even local government are never going to be able to fund every small local charity.
Anyway the good they do is as much in the sense of community they promote and the personal experiences their fund raises share as money.

This is lost as soon as it becomes some faceless salaried officials job.

LivingThings · 16/11/2012 23:54

I hate it but then I hate any telethon for whatever reason - it's not what I pay my license fee to watch. I support the charities I wish to with what little I can so I do not need someones begging bowl shoved in my face all evening.

Didn't realise it was Children in Need tonight - no wonder DH took up the last minute offer of a drink witha mate :)

MorrisZapp · 17/11/2012 00:10

Sorry, how does anybody here know how much money celebrities give to charity?

goldface · 17/11/2012 00:11

Im with growlithe, CIN supports so many crucial services that simply wouldnt exist without them. Dont like it? Dont watch it.
My kids have enjoyed the fun and have seen some of the impact CIN has.
And its the only time i get to watch Terry Wogan and I love him.
Tufty - i cried my eyes out when he left Radio 2, still miss him!x

Growlithe · 17/11/2012 00:12

Sorry LivingThings I didn't realise there was anyone in the world who thought that there was only one TV channel. I don't know if you noticed but when you got your TV you should have been presented with a small black handheld device with a number of buttons on it. If you experiment with the buttons you will find that they will change the channels. HTH

Giglet · 17/11/2012 00:32

I find the auctions completely revolting. The only people who have a chance to enjoy the lots are the super rich. It just flies in the face of the whole ethos of the BBC. Why can't they do a raffle which would give everyone a chance to win?

Giglet · 17/11/2012 00:35

I realise this is about charity, but the way the auction on radio 2 is run is not in any way open to the average listener. It is a chance for the rich to pat each other on the back. Grrrr

TuftyFinch · 17/11/2012 00:36

Because Guglet, it's not actually about you. It's about raising as much money as possible. For children. In need.

ReindeerBollocks · 17/11/2012 00:37

DS watched it today, and got all worked up over the ill children.

The irnony is that DS is one of those ill children, and has been very sick recently.

Yet he never thinks like that. He wanted to give (he wanted to donate all of his moshi mags that he adores) just to help them, and didn't even ask why he doesn't get access to the same services.

Im not a fan of the show, admittedly, but my son has taught me that even those whose face horrendous health challenges can be loving, humble and wanting to help. So whilst I think it's cringe worthy,I'd say its well worth having it on TV, even if it's just to raise awareness.

My son has made me very proud this evening, even though we couldn't donate large amounts, I'm happy that we were able to contribute. I have no issues with families not contributing because they are struggling too.

BegoniaBampot · 17/11/2012 01:18

Never watch these things and generally avoid them. But, the odd time like tonight I tune in for a second - I sometimes get sucked in and feel oh so grateful and reach for my purse and donate that little by extra than I might normally donate.

amarylisnightandday · 17/11/2012 05:31

It's still not about begrudging the end user if a service. No poster on here who is anti CIN has said that. There is a lot of deliberate misunderstanding going in here because we have the audacity to question.

Of course I bring up my children to understand how fortunate they are both in the macro sense - we live I. A developed country with good infrastructure and reasonably free speech Eric and the micro - mummy is able to pay for x y and z because of my income - private swimming lessons/nice toys/days out/expensive clothes etc cannot be taken for granted or undrappreciated.i also teach them the same about non material things being equally valuable as in dd is v lucky to have 2 devoted (but separated) parents, loving GPS who live close by, a dozen close friends and their families who are nigh on siblings to my dds. I am rambling but you get the idea.
I also try and teach consequences both pustule and negative ax in telling dd1 (3) that though she is lucky to have lots of friends to play win at nursery, that probably everyone likes dd1 because she is a kind girl who is v friendly with new children and is good at sharing etc etc.

Meanwhile as they get older I feel strongly about teaching my dc why deification etc exists and the reality of social inequality. I grew up in the 80's and my parents supported the miners. Thru sent outgrown toys and clothes of mine to the north and explained the unfolding events as best they could to a primary school aged child. I agree with the poster who says the true charity is time/resources which are given entirely willingly and not through guilt/naive ity.

I prefer to support charities at a local level. Someone mentioned hospices etc not bring government funded. I support a local children's hospice v willingly. Dd1 thinks their local charity shop is a toy shop anyway Wink and we give all our goods donations to them and a local refugee charity. I prefer my input/£ to stay tight here in my city and help the real people I know about who need it.
We are also supporting a friend who's dd is raising money for her own cultural exchange to an African county to teach English and do aid work. This young person is exactly the role model I want for my dds and I think it's v valuable for them to see real ground level fundraising all the way through to it paying for flights and then seeing the pictures and listening to the vying person talk about where the money went etc. no celebrities required here and v minimal overheads.
We'd also support a small charity who are racing finds to support one child through lengthy cancer treatment at a hospital not in our city - as in him having to be away from home is important for dds to understand. Dd has attended various activities for this project and the child is only couple months older than her and we know the family. Again local stuff where everything is transparent and easily understood by small folk.

I don't agree that CIN reaches people who don't normally give to charity. That is at best patronising but again I'd be interests. To see the demographic of tbf average donating family. If they are Lowe income families who donate but do not vote I imagine Dave Cameron is laughing all the way to the bank.

I'm just so ashamed. This is a first world country with huge infrastructure there is no valid reason why all the services provided by CIN cannot be government funded and its v Thatcherist that they arnt. I am apostles voters accept this situation so willingly - beg money back from the poor to pay for stuff needed by......the poor but diverted through so slebs and private enterprise a long the way.

We have to (apparently) keep the rich happy in case they leave the uk and take their pennies with them (which we refuse to tax any further) but its ok to harrass the poor to pay for the shortfall because they can't leave and frankly who cares aboard the poor anyway....(not any Tories aimless they require them to make them look worthy).

I feel the same about help for heroes it makes me so Angry that I could vomit. How very bloody dare the government send troops to fight a war most of the country don't agree with, often not properly equipped, allow them to be killed or seriously injured and then refuse to pay got treatment/rehabilitation/anything on their return. Army charities should not have to exist - its a foul miscarriage of justice and supporting cin (lower case) is going the same way. I cannot and will not just blindly give money and hope for the best.

Bit if a rant - had a baby 5 days ago - hormones/pain meds/waiting for 6am feed.....I don't mean to offend anyone on purpose - these are my values and just mine Smile

NorksAreMessy · 17/11/2012 06:42

When I was a hippie, we used to say

"It'll be a great day when our schools have all the money they need and the Navy has to hold a bake sale to buy battleships"

givemeaclue · 17/11/2012 07:42

Fearne should be banned from tv.

TheNebulousBoojum · 17/11/2012 08:19

'The kids haven't learnt anything about needy people though this BTW. would prefer if they went out and did something for the community'

You mean your community, seamonkey?
FWIW I taught in a school who used to receive CIN money. We were in a very deprived area.
I'd have loved to set your children to work, clearing needles, smashed glass and fouled mattresses from community areas, repairing crumbling brickwork and rotting wood, doing the heavy work to create new playground spaces, donating clothing, toys and food for the food banks, running a breakfast club. Of course, you might have to travel to deliver them, and they might get their eyes opened a little wider than you wanted them to.
Or we could have sent you a quartet of children for a week's holiday. CIN funded YHA holidays for a number of our children. They bought us a minibus, and helped fund a breakfast club.
Or were you thinking of a jolly sing-song to help them forget the poverty and deprivation they were surviving in? In our own country.

TheNebulousBoojum · 17/11/2012 08:21

The school I currently teach in had a wear your pjs for a pound day, and a cake bake. We raised hundreds.
The inequality in this country is staggering.

TheNebulousBoojum · 17/11/2012 08:30

Do I watch crap TV?
Like East Enders, I'm a Strictly in the Jungle Get me out of here Celebrity? All those Essex, Brides and Reality shows? Telethons?
Never.
My gran loves them, the children in school love them. God help me, so do some of the staff.
I have a channel changer.

stinkinseamonkey · 17/11/2012 08:39

TheNebulus did you only read a fraction of my posts? I live in one of those deprived communities. You replied about us getting our eyes open, we see all that every time we go to the shops for milk thanks! and more!

When I was in school we used to go and do little concerts in old folks homes for example, couldn't they bake their cakes then take them to the local spinal injury home? rather than sell them back to the parents? surely they'd learn more that way? charity isn't just about feeling worthy about putting a few coins in a bucket once a year, its about getting your hands dirty and being aware.

TheNebulousBoojum · 17/11/2012 08:49

No, I read them. I just got a faceful of bile from your posts, if you don't want to join in, it's optional. It's one day.
Unlike all the current ads for Disneyland, holidays and Christmas food and presents, I know people who find the whole thing unbearable because all of it is out of reach now and is likely to be forever.

stinkinseamonkey · 17/11/2012 08:49

I'll bet that some people who would judge me for disliking CIN week give a much lower % of their income and time to charity over the year than I do

FGS Its not the only way to give, people are allowed to dislike street charity sign up people but not CIN, why? what's the difference? all the arguements for not being allowed to dislike CIN could be applied to the street direct debit people. Can't people opt in and out to the types of charity giving that they consider a most efficient use of their money or time?

IMO yes, technically you can refuse to buy your child's cake back off them on front of their whole class and their teachers and other parents, but there's a shitty "name and shame" element to not giving to CIN that there isn't to other charitable contributions

TheNebulousBoojum · 17/11/2012 08:52

Years and years back, we did a cake/food fundraiser for the people involved with the floods in Pakistan. Whole school involved, and the community. More than 500 individuals.We raised around £40 and the children were delighted to have felt they could make a difference. They felt proactive instead of passive.

hazeyjane · 17/11/2012 08:53

surely it can be about both, we live in a fairly affluent area, but ds's development centre is still underfunded, and provides for children from all backgrounds. The children from the local primary school come and do a concert for the children at xmas, they also raise money for children in need. The concert is nice, but probably does more to teach the children at the primary school, than help the children at the centre. The money from children in need pays for 2 members of staff - that would be a lot of cakes to sell!

stinkinseamonkey · 17/11/2012 08:54

it was all week here, not one day

NotQuintAtAllOhNo · 17/11/2012 09:00

Charity (like UK taxes at the moment) seem to be all about getting Rich people on board to make poorer people part with their money for more disadvantage people somewhere to benefit.

stinkinseamonkey · 17/11/2012 09:11

when DCs are old enough I will suggest that if they want to be involved with the school stuff they can give us some of their pocket/birthday money for us to buy their cakes to bring home or for their PJ days - it'll be up to them. And I can go back to mostly ignoring CIN. But for now with younger children it's really not much of an option to opt out without the child being singled out.

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