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NittyNuttyNoo · 12/11/2012 08:16

Just got back from walking my dogs in my local park and saw two pieces of paper stuck on two trees up there. They were both posters done by a child and the first one said "Please clean up after your dog" which is fair enough. The second however said "Please keep your dog on a lead". Having walked my dogs in this park off lead for the last 16 years I have never seen a sign or been told they must be on lead. I understand people let their dogs act like complete hooligans and these people should keep their dogs on a lead but mine are both well behaved and do as they are told. I have as much right to use the park as a child and yet I don't go round telling kids what to do! Just annoyed me quite a bit.

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singingmum · 12/11/2012 13:03

More and more we hear of dogs attacking and I myself was bitten when younger while walking to the shops. That's all I was doing walking the dog had seen me lots of times but suddenly decided to bite me that day.
I wish that dog owners would realise that any dog can attack at any time.
I have a neighbour who at one point had 5 dogs 2g.sheperds 2akitas(spelling crap today sorry) and because everytime my dd played in our garden they started growling and barking and even a few times tried to bite us just for walking out the gate. My dd is so scared of dogs that her heart races and she can't enjoy a normal day out say to a country park because (as some have actually told us with her barely able to move or breathe in fear) she should get over it. She is trying to get used to dogs but as she's had these issues from being a toddler and is now 12 its very difficult.
I do know that there are responsible dog owners but even some that I know who are seem to think that gives them the right to let their dogs loose on busy housing estates,parks, even shopping centres meaning my dd no longer feels safe anywhere.
Dogs should be on leashes unless it is a dof park no exceptions sorry

toomanydaisies · 12/11/2012 13:12

I would like all dogs to be on a lead. Because so many come and put their slobbery faces into my buggy and slobber all over dc and blanket, toys etc and its disgusting. And the owners say "oh, he's just friendly!" As thought the slobber was f***g charming. It's not. It's disgusting. I wouldn't let dc go and put sticky hands all over them. Really, really winds me up. So yes, keep your fricking dogs on a short lead!

WildWorld2004 · 12/11/2012 13:27

I think all dogs should be on leads. Everyday walking to school i am faced with dogs roaming about. Some of the dogs ignore you as you walk by, some will aproach you, others stop & just stare. It feels so uneasy just walking to school.

My dds grandparents dog was a lovely dog. Never bit anyone before. They had the dog for years. One day got a phone call from gps to say they had put the dog down because it had bitten dds grandfather out of the blue. You just never know with dogs.

LtEveDallas · 12/11/2012 13:44

Make your own sign saying "please keep your children on a lead at all times, I might be hungry" and then do a paw print of your dog under

This - oh please this Grin Grin

I will walk my dog wherever I am allowed. Unless the Council has stated that all dogs should be on leads, then she will be off lead. There are plenty of places that dogs are NOT allowed - so I am going to take advantage of all the places that they ARE allowed.

I'm sorry for all those people that have a dog phobia, but if I am in an area where my dog is allowed to be unleashed I am not going to curtail my enjoyment, or my dogs enjoyment for you, sorry.

toomanydaisies · 12/11/2012 13:55

I don't have a dog phobia. I like dogs. But I don't like their wet slobbery mouths. I think dog owners get so used to being slobbered on that they forget that other people don't like it. I threw away a pram toy last week because a dog came and licked it enthusiastically. The owner thought this was charming and showed how much her dog liked my (bemused) dc.

toomanydaisies · 12/11/2012 14:01

I like children. I don't like random children with sticky hands coming and climbing on me. Especially when I'm in work clothes (that I don't wear around my own dc). It's the sane sort of thing with dogs. Except dogs are more likely to bite than children!

Tanith · 12/11/2012 14:11

I would think that it's the dog mess that has inspired both notices, given that they have appeared together at the same time.

A free-roaming dog can foul wheresoever he or she wants, the owner is oblivious (or pretends to be) and the mess gets everywhere.

DreamingOfTheMaldives · 12/11/2012 14:27

If ALL dogs should be on a lead because SOME dogs are out of control, does that mean that ALL teenagers shouldn't be allowed in the park unless accompanied by an adult because SOME of them cause a nuisance; smoking should be banned from parks because SOME people drop cigarette butts on the floor. ALL children should be kept on very short reins because SOME of them try to kick the pigeons which are there. ALL children should be kept on reins because some of them come up to me when I don't want them to.

And of course I appreciate that the situations are somewhat different because a dog could possibly bite, but the majority of people, including dog owners are decent, considerate people. As described above, there are other people who are not considerate but that doesn't mean that all people (or dogs) potentially falling into that group should be punished. Most dog owners are responsible, they will clean up after their dog and will keep their dog under control. Lets not pretend that there are packs of marauding dogs causing havoc round the park, just waiting to pounce on the children. Most of them prefer playing with a ball and each other and aren't really interested in children.

I believe that the play areas should be dog free, and the majority are, but that dogs should be allowed to run free in parks rather than having to be on leads. If people cannot control their dog, they shouldn't be letting them off lead; there is already legislation in place to deal with out of control dogs and this should be enforced rather than bringing in dog control orders to every park which will punish all dogs, not just those that are out of control.

And yes OP, that sign would have annoyed me (a little). It's unlikely that the child would have written it and put it up without parental assistance. The parent should try explaining to their child that dogs do not have to be on lead in that area, and it is not up to them to try to persuade otherwise. I think the dog mess sign was a good idea though.

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DreamingOfTheMaldives · 12/11/2012 14:35

"A free-roaming dog can foul wheresoever he or she wants, the owner is oblivious (or pretends to be) and the mess gets everywhere."

On the walk to the park, in our area, dogs are kept on lead because it is busy with traffic. I've actually found that I see the majority of dog mess is on the pavements on the walk to the park rather than at the park itself. Kind of blows your theory out of the water a little (or certainly for many of the areas I have been to.)

It is the irresponsible dog owners who allow their dogs to foul whether their dog is off lead or on. The majority of dog owners keep an eye on their dog and will go and pick up after it. I detest people who do not clean up after their dog; I have approached other dog owners to request a poop bag when I have run out and other owners have made the same request of me. I have also reminded a woman she was meant to pick up after her dog and offered her a poop bag (whilst her dog was on lead as it happens) only to receive a mouthful of abuse from her.

Responsible dog owners detest dog foul on the pavement and in parks just as much as non dog owners do.

tripletipple · 12/11/2012 14:41

To those of you (or anyone else who can help) who say parents don't educate their children about dogs or how to behave around dogs, can you educate me on this? My DS aged 4 is petrified of dogs and it is debilatating both in public places and when visiting. He will freeze, scream, dart out in to the road, refuse to walk in the direction of a dog etc. I'm not a dog lover and don't know much about dogs and don't know the best way to help him.

FWIW I don't think all dogs should be kept on a lead in a park.

NittyNuttyNoo · 12/11/2012 14:42

Nothing annoys me more than people who don't clean up after their dog or who don't keep their dogs under control. But to say all dogs should be kept on leads all the time I think is very unfair. My dogs are very well behaved, not aggressive and love a good run around so why shouldn't they be allowed to be off lead?

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CailinDana · 12/11/2012 14:43

Dreaming - comparing the rights of humans with the rights of dogs is a bit weird really. A teenager can be reasoned with and cautioned - they aren't animals (though some people on here might disagree!). I have come to hate dogs since moving to the UK - in Ireland, at least the part I come from, they're considered to be pets, a luxury, and thus to come second to people. Here they seem to be on a par with people, and their owners seem to feel that others have to accommodate their wish to allow their dogs to do whatever they like, regardless of how they feel about it. It annoys me massively. I simply don't want a "friendly" dog approaching me or my DS - I don't think that's too much to ask but apparently it is in this country.

Nancy66 · 12/11/2012 14:47

I also think dogs should be on leads.

I don't give a fuck how much you like your dog - i don't want it jumping up at, sniffing, slobbering over me.

Ephiny · 12/11/2012 15:02

I would just ignore it if it wasn't an official sign.

Actually, I might take it down and put it in a bin. It's basically litter.

musicmadness · 12/11/2012 15:03

I'd just laugh if I saw that sign, then ignore it completely. Or possibly tear it down/vandalise it if I was in a particularly bad mood.

Round me there are several parks and dogs are either banned or have to be on leads in all but one of them. You still get the odd person who comes to the doggy park and then complains that there are lots of dogs off lead there. It never fails to amaze me!

Just because a few dog owners are irresponsible doesn't mean that all dogs should be punished for it.

DreamingOfTheMaldives · 12/11/2012 15:11

Of course dogs should come second to people CailinDana but that still doesn't mean that every single dog should have to be kept on a lead because some people don't train their dog properly. Address the problem - use the legislation which is already in place: Prosecute people for allowing dogs to foul; prosecute people for allowing their dogs to be out of control. Don't punish the well behaved dogs for the stupidity and laziness of those people who can't be bothered to train their dog properly.

Does anyone not consider the welfare of the dog? After all, we have the RSPCA and legislation to ensure that they are not mistreated, so as a society we clearly do care about their welfare. A dog which doesn't get enough exercise is a frustrated and unhappy dog; most people cannot give their dogs sufficient exercise without allowing them to be off lead.

bellabreeze · 12/11/2012 15:11

To everyone that is saying all dogs should be on leads- do you realise that dogs need exercise and to be free to run around sometimes and also explore and smell different things? Just because someone doesn't like dogs it is hardly reasonable to ignore the fact that being off the lead benefits them...

DreamingOfTheMaldives · 12/11/2012 15:17

Also, lets not forget who frequents the park the most. Dogs and their owners! They are at the park first thing in the morning before work; once it has gone dark in the evening; when the weather is bucketing down and no one else in the right mind would venture to the park. Dog owners aren't fair weather park users, unlike the majority of other people.

ObiWan · 12/11/2012 15:30

YANBU. Cutesy, unofficial posters are sick-making and pointless.

Grin notsofrownieface. If any local council wanted to promote responsible dog-walking in their parks, they should put posters up everywhere with 'STOP - Think Fenton!' written on them.

BartimaeusNeedsMoreSleep · 12/11/2012 15:33

I think YANBU to be annoyed by a home-made sign when clearly dogs are allowed to be in that park without leads.

I'm a bit torn by the subject of leads.

I'm not a dog fan at all. For many reasons. Yet I do see that they need and enjoy their exercise. The only time I smile at a dog is when I see it racing along happy as larry stretching its legs out - unless it's heading straight for me Wink

On the other hand, I've been bitten by a dog walking past me on the pavement (not on a lead) which freaked me out and meant I had to get a series of rabies shots which was very annoying and time-consuming, not to mention I got told off each time I went because I hadn't had the presence of mind to ask the dog owner if his dog was vaccinated Hmm Instead I limped off trying not to cry or hyperventilate.

I was there when a huge dog ran up to my friend's pushchair and grabbed her 6 months old's foot in his mouth. Fortunately he didn't bite down, we prised his jaws open and I hung onto his collar pulling him back (took all my weight) whilst my friend frantically checked her baby's foot. The owner just strolled over and took the dog without saying anything! Shock Angry We were too shocked to react really and just went on our way.

So I'm on the fence on this one.

socharlotte · 12/11/2012 16:09

I think dogs should be on leads in all public places

Nancy66 · 12/11/2012 16:16

Dreaming - if there weren't so many dogs in parks then other people would use them more

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 12/11/2012 16:20

CailinDana, toddlers are as unpredictable as puppies, that's why they shouldn't be unsupervised. If a person can't control their small child, then that is their own responsibility, not that of dog owners.

CailinDana · 12/11/2012 16:21

I'm talking about dogs that run up to toddlers Outraged. Or should toddlers not be allowed in parks?