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to be totally distressed and out for blood...

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schoolshoeblues · 11/11/2012 20:38

Hi all,

So this could be long. I really need some advice.

I will try to keep this as short as possible: We (DH and 2 DCs) live abroad. DS(3) was attending an international school here until about 3.5 weeks ago. The school runs from 3 year olds to 12 year olds (basically preschool to primary). There had been some talk and concern about how the new headmaster, who started in Sept, and works mainly at a different campus had been spending a lot of time hanging around the kindergarten class that DS is in. It had been noticed how he always seemed to be holding one of the boys on his lap or in his arms. The mums who had been talking about this had agreed to keep an eye on things.

The group have swimming lessons once a week at a fitness centre next door to the school. One of the other mums in the class had gone along to help. The first thing that she noticed was that the headmaster insisted on being in the ladies changing rooms with the 3 teachers and 2 parents helping to change 6 children (my son being one of them). He was asked twice to leave, and twice he ignored the teachers requested, then insisted on changing my son. Whilst in the pool area he took DS1 swimming on his own (there is a childrens pool, and adult pool, and a turkish bath, which is like a deep hot tub). Then he took him swimming into the hot tub. Now, DS is a handful, more than most, I would say. He doesn't listen, or do as he is told. Whilst in the hot tub, he repeatedly turned on the bubbles despite being told not to. In response the headmaster grabbed him, and gave him a full body restraint, on his lap (in the hot tub) - apparently his idea of a time out. My friend came out of the pool and called me to come to the pool - she was very upset by what she had seen. I was in a meeting, so couldn't go right away.

As I was driving up, again she called me VERY upset. Back in the classroom he was reading to the children and DS wouldn't sit and listen, so again, full body restraint, on his lap, whilst he continued to read to the children. At this point my friend left with her son to call me (there was no other teacher present). By the time I had got there, the headmaster had left (very quick?), and I went off my head at the school coordinator.

I would like to say, that I think the headmaster is an idiot. I think he doesnt know how to discipline young children (he's always taught at secondary schools). He is British. We are in a developing, non English speaking country. I think that this sometimes can lead to blurred lines regarding how far you can go in discipline. What he did was completely inappropriate. In my opinion he assaulted my son. I would like to say it was more a physical and emotional assault, because I cant get my head around anything else.

The mother and I asked to meet with the headmaster. He refused to come, however the owner of the school and a member of the board of governors came along, as well as another parent, and a security officer from the embassy that they are affiliated to. The meeting was deeply distressing for me. (DH was also there). The headmaster agreed that he had acted inappropriately, but at the same time, we had to understand that the teacher was very upset at the implications of his behaviour. So much so, that he had phoned in sick. I ended up walking out of the meeting, I could hear Ds's name, lap, hot tub any more, and that afternoon, I notified the school that he would no longer be attending.

Since then I have heard NOTHING. The owner has twice contacted us to try to meet, but when we say, yes, anytime, he says I'll get back to you and then doesn't. The headmaster, after taking 2 weeks off, in distress, is now back at the school, in amongst the little ones, as if nothing has happened. He has not been disciplined (apparently...We wouldnt know if he had been), and we have had absolutely NO acknowledgement at ALL of the distress that this fucking idiot and the school have caused our family.

Now the lines are blurred because we are abroad, so we dont have the same routes of complaint that we would normally go down if we were in the UK. The school however has a few important accreditations that make it a professional academic institution - for example, it is a member of the Council of International Schools, as well as others. I want BLOOD. I want the school to do SOMETHING, ANYTHING, but they are quite blatantly not going to. We are moving to a new posting at the end of the year, and I cant help but feel that they are just waiting til we have gone. I have written to another prominent member of the board and let him know that I want:
an apology; the headmaster disciplined; a code of conduct to be put in place, and also a proper complaints procedure to be set in stone. I also let him know that even though we were leaving, I would not be letting it go.

If I don't get what I want then I plan to complain to the accreditation institutions, as well as reporting it to the British embassy here, as well as a few other things. What would you do? I know I am right to be angry. I guess I just needed to vent, and also to get some of the very sensible advice that I often see on here. I cant tell you how distraught I am about this situation. DH is less so, and doesn't really want to cause a fuss - but backs me to the hilt...

Any advice? Thoughts?
Thanks
ssblue...

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IvanaHumpalotCountDracula · 12/11/2012 09:28

Are you or your DH foreign office/military/multinational company workers? And is this school the only suitable school for workers children? And or do these types use the school anyway, even if you are not one?

If so could you use any of these agencies to bring pressure on the school governors? I'm just thinking if this is a highly used school, no workplace wants either a lack of staff to go out to this country or military/FO workers worrying about children when trying to do their job. And in some instances these agencies will be part or paying the school fees.

What I'm trying to say is if there's a military base - even if it's not a UK one, go see the CO. If there's a foreign company - go see the director. I see from up thread you've already been talking to 'our man in...'.

Big organisations have a duty of care to their employers which would extend to their families - and they don't want public messy legal wranglings. Big organisations = big clout. This HT could be persuaded that this school is just not quite the fit they once thought...

Bellebois · 12/11/2012 10:18

Schoolshoes
I am an international school teacher, currently living in a 'developing' country - in fact, I had to read your post carefully as the first part could have described where we (hubby and I ) currently are. We also have a new head, but he is lovely...
Firstly, international schools are a law unto themselves, largely. You probably won't have much luck complaining to the accreditation agencies, (Cois, IB or similar) but it is probably worth a go. Even when things go very wrong in schools, they tend to keep their distances.
Secondly. Your instinct with this man could be spot on. I say could, as I have found in the past that when I halve felt this way about a colleague, it is been justified. Thankfully very rarely. Now, one caveat to this is the 'car park mafia' of which I am currently a member, as I am non teaching this year, the gossip goes round like wildfire in a small expat community. Be careful that you are dealing with facts here. This man could lose everything. Remember, he too has no real protection (unions & proper legal process possibly, in his native language) if prison, or god forbid the death sentence is on the cards be VERY careful how you proceed.
Thirdly, it is well known ( and I may get slammed for this) that int schools are the refuges of some less desirable members of society. Sometimes, people can get away with things thatnthey would never usually be able to in their home, and as they move on quickly it never really catches up. Schools are desperate to avoid scandal, especially of the type you suspect. Often teachers are moved on during the night - really- and parents and students told of their 'personal problems back home', none the wiser. Sometimes the schools pay parents off. A good example, more common, are teachers with alcohol problems. References and qualifications are easily faked, and not all schools are created equal. Some much more thorough than others.
Lastly, I would Move my son out to another school, if that is a possibility. You should receive a refund of your fees if that is an issue. Now, it may not be possible if it is in a small community, and this is where the problem lies, ESP if the wife is a teaching spouse. The school would be down 2 teachers with no hope of replacement possibly until next April... The closing date for UK resignations for January was half term in state sch, prob September for private schools as mine was in the Uk. So they will also have to consider this.

Now, you don't know what has happened behind closed doors. Hopefully,if there is real concern about this man, there are now systems in place regarding him being alone with kids. As a primary school teacher of 20 years, it is well known that you do not touch kiddies unless it is really really necessary- I have given the occasional hug as we are all human, but that is it and always in the open. DEF not in the bloody jacuzzi. Christ, that is really wrong.

This is one of the downsides of expat life, and something we take for granted in the Uk... Due process, unions, the police, child protection.... It is only when you need these systems the most that you realise how important they are.
Actually one last thing, I would contact the met police and see if you can run his name through some kind of search, you never know what might come up. yes, the school should have done this, but they don't always, ESP if he has not taught there for several years - any police check, subject access etc would come back clean. Means nothing.
Good luck. Feel free to pm me if you need any specific that I might be able to help you with.

Bellebois · 12/11/2012 10:23

MrsShaden
Is it "British" international school? If so, it is more than likely that the Ambassador or someone at the Embassy is on the Board of Governors (this has been the case at all of the international schools where I've lived -
No, not always the case, in fact usually the opposite. Usually, there will be one very good 'British ' school in each large city which is affiliated With the consulate but anyone can set up The British School of Whykikamookaw and nothing can be done about it, there is no claim on the name although parents mistakenly think that they must be more reputable due to the (apparent )British connection.
I worked at a 'British' school in Ukraine and Poland years and years ago, they were both shocking and both went out of business.

schoolshoeblues · 12/11/2012 12:41

Hey guys,

Just wrote a MASSIVE reply which disappeared. Thank you so much for all your messages. I will keep you updated as I move forward with this.

Really thank you thank you thank you....

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socharlotte · 12/11/2012 13:30

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schoolshoeblues · 14/11/2012 10:43

Hi all,

Missed the above message, would be interested to hear a different viewpoint in the matter - anyone read it?

Anyway, first part of the process has been completed. I emailled the Ambassador last night and also copied in someone involved in the embassy who has a child in the same class. Dont want to say too much, but it has been taken seriously and is under advisement.

Given the mother's reaction I will be getting in touch with some of the other mothers in the class to let them know about the situation.

That's it for now. Thanks again for giving me the impetus to deal with this.

ssbluex

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ComradeJing · 15/11/2012 04:55

ssblue I'm glad it's being dealt with.

message above was along the lines of you're making a fuss about nothing and to get over it and how one earth could you son be affected by this. IIRC - it has been a while since I read it.

Not 100% sure why it was deleted - it didn't look like a personal attack.

NervousAt20 · 15/11/2012 05:22

YANBU if someone did this to my child I would hit the roof and there's no way is be able to let it go, I hope you get the right response soon

socharlotte · 15/11/2012 10:38

MNHQ please could you tell me which talk guideline I broke?

schoolshoeblues · 18/11/2012 06:19

thanks comradeJing

socharlotte: I wish it didnt have such an impact on me. I would have left it if the school had dealt with it in some shape or form, but they didnt do ANYTHING...

Update: So the embassy were very kind about it, but as I suspected, there is nothing they can do about it. The mother who also received the message has met with the school - about an hour later, I got a call to say that I would be getting my refund. Which is great, as to me that is some sort of an acknowledgement.

I have told 2 other mothers - one who has responded, and the other hasn't. I feel really bad about it, as if I have caused distress unnecessarily. Of course it is NOT unnecessary, but it causes such upset, I hate being the bearer of bad news.

It was important to me that the family who responded knew, as another mother had witnessed some unorthodox behaviour between the headmaster and their child - it was the thing that put the other mother's on edge before the incident with my son...

Not sure whether to keep pursuing it. I havent made any official complaints as yet (to official bodies). THinking that perhaps other parents involvement will be enough to get the ball rolling. I'm going to hang off for the first half of next week and see what unfolds. What do you think?

ssbluex

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Doingakatereddy · 18/11/2012 08:54

Sometimes it pays to think differently - call Local media and / or uk media such as Daily Mail. This bloke will have a history - guarantee it it.

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