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to be totally distressed and out for blood...

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schoolshoeblues · 11/11/2012 20:38

Hi all,

So this could be long. I really need some advice.

I will try to keep this as short as possible: We (DH and 2 DCs) live abroad. DS(3) was attending an international school here until about 3.5 weeks ago. The school runs from 3 year olds to 12 year olds (basically preschool to primary). There had been some talk and concern about how the new headmaster, who started in Sept, and works mainly at a different campus had been spending a lot of time hanging around the kindergarten class that DS is in. It had been noticed how he always seemed to be holding one of the boys on his lap or in his arms. The mums who had been talking about this had agreed to keep an eye on things.

The group have swimming lessons once a week at a fitness centre next door to the school. One of the other mums in the class had gone along to help. The first thing that she noticed was that the headmaster insisted on being in the ladies changing rooms with the 3 teachers and 2 parents helping to change 6 children (my son being one of them). He was asked twice to leave, and twice he ignored the teachers requested, then insisted on changing my son. Whilst in the pool area he took DS1 swimming on his own (there is a childrens pool, and adult pool, and a turkish bath, which is like a deep hot tub). Then he took him swimming into the hot tub. Now, DS is a handful, more than most, I would say. He doesn't listen, or do as he is told. Whilst in the hot tub, he repeatedly turned on the bubbles despite being told not to. In response the headmaster grabbed him, and gave him a full body restraint, on his lap (in the hot tub) - apparently his idea of a time out. My friend came out of the pool and called me to come to the pool - she was very upset by what she had seen. I was in a meeting, so couldn't go right away.

As I was driving up, again she called me VERY upset. Back in the classroom he was reading to the children and DS wouldn't sit and listen, so again, full body restraint, on his lap, whilst he continued to read to the children. At this point my friend left with her son to call me (there was no other teacher present). By the time I had got there, the headmaster had left (very quick?), and I went off my head at the school coordinator.

I would like to say, that I think the headmaster is an idiot. I think he doesnt know how to discipline young children (he's always taught at secondary schools). He is British. We are in a developing, non English speaking country. I think that this sometimes can lead to blurred lines regarding how far you can go in discipline. What he did was completely inappropriate. In my opinion he assaulted my son. I would like to say it was more a physical and emotional assault, because I cant get my head around anything else.

The mother and I asked to meet with the headmaster. He refused to come, however the owner of the school and a member of the board of governors came along, as well as another parent, and a security officer from the embassy that they are affiliated to. The meeting was deeply distressing for me. (DH was also there). The headmaster agreed that he had acted inappropriately, but at the same time, we had to understand that the teacher was very upset at the implications of his behaviour. So much so, that he had phoned in sick. I ended up walking out of the meeting, I could hear Ds's name, lap, hot tub any more, and that afternoon, I notified the school that he would no longer be attending.

Since then I have heard NOTHING. The owner has twice contacted us to try to meet, but when we say, yes, anytime, he says I'll get back to you and then doesn't. The headmaster, after taking 2 weeks off, in distress, is now back at the school, in amongst the little ones, as if nothing has happened. He has not been disciplined (apparently...We wouldnt know if he had been), and we have had absolutely NO acknowledgement at ALL of the distress that this fucking idiot and the school have caused our family.

Now the lines are blurred because we are abroad, so we dont have the same routes of complaint that we would normally go down if we were in the UK. The school however has a few important accreditations that make it a professional academic institution - for example, it is a member of the Council of International Schools, as well as others. I want BLOOD. I want the school to do SOMETHING, ANYTHING, but they are quite blatantly not going to. We are moving to a new posting at the end of the year, and I cant help but feel that they are just waiting til we have gone. I have written to another prominent member of the board and let him know that I want:
an apology; the headmaster disciplined; a code of conduct to be put in place, and also a proper complaints procedure to be set in stone. I also let him know that even though we were leaving, I would not be letting it go.

If I don't get what I want then I plan to complain to the accreditation institutions, as well as reporting it to the British embassy here, as well as a few other things. What would you do? I know I am right to be angry. I guess I just needed to vent, and also to get some of the very sensible advice that I often see on here. I cant tell you how distraught I am about this situation. DH is less so, and doesn't really want to cause a fuss - but backs me to the hilt...

Any advice? Thoughts?
Thanks
ssblue...

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Procrasstinator · 11/11/2012 21:18

dont the laws of the country require that the school has safe guarding/ complaints procedure/ code of conduct??

i appreciate what you are saying about the justice system in another country ~(i have lived in Africa) but i think given the lack of action from the school in 3.5 weeks...i would go to the police (i think)

arent other parents keeping their children away from the school? what about your friend who witnessed what happened?

MulledWineOnTheBusLady · 11/11/2012 21:19

Definitely contact Ofsted and see if you can put them in touch with the Embassy (or vice versa). He may already have a teaching record in the UK, and it may not be a pretty one.

Just flagging this up as a possibility because I'm sure I remember reading an example on here in the past about a teacher with a disciplinary record in the UK who had managed to bullshit their way into teaching overseas.

DontmindifIdo · 11/11/2012 21:21

I would contact the head of the governers again and say you will be going to the police if they do'nt start taking it seriously. They also must know the ramifications of police involvment in this country, and will want to do what it takes. Say you will publicise this, I'm surprised more parents haven't withdrawn their DCs, have you let other parents know?

Procrasstinator · 11/11/2012 21:21

this is why i came back to UK; all your safety nets which you take for granted are pulled from under you...when you need them, it is really frightening and frustrating....

sorry, that's not helpful- just holding your hand really, and thinking very hard.....

Procrasstinator · 11/11/2012 21:25

am wondering if any other parts of the forum might be useful..? what happens in the education/legal parts??

is there an expat part of this site?

even Relationships may have people with experience?? (will put a shout-out on there with a link to his thread?)

schoolshoeblues · 11/11/2012 21:27

ewaczarlie: You're right. I will get in touch with the other mothers. And also let them know that I will be taking it further.

Jenny70: you would THINK that they would want to protect the reputation of the school. I really don't know what they are playing at. Before he joined it was a great place: loving, nurturing. You are right about new families, the women's association recommends, but there are certain politics involved: someone who donates a lot to their charity is on the school board. My husband has spoken to him, but he too has just fobbed us off. I have started telling people...

Marshmallow: I have spoken to the Council of International schools and they want to take it further. The school has just received International Baccalaureate Accreditation - I have contacted them, but they say they only deal with the actual assessment of school work. I have looked on the web for sites that advise parents, but it's not so easy to find any...

Procrasstinator: The girl who witnessed the events has just taken her son out of the school. I think the other people who know have been waiting to hear what the outcome were to be. They were more concerned that he was taking the swimming lessons. Apparently, that has been stopped. Again, nobody has informed us of this...

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schoolshoeblues · 11/11/2012 21:29

Procrasstinator: yes, this is really giving us second thoughts about our lifestyle.

I'm worried about making threats; it might get turned around on me...

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Procrasstinator · 11/11/2012 21:32

is your son still offically a pupil at the school?

schoolshoeblues · 11/11/2012 21:33

no. I withdrew him...officially by email. The day I took him home (after the meeting, I took everything with me).

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milktraylady · 11/11/2012 21:35

Hi reading your post was most concerning.
I have a friend in the Met police and she is working in the child protection unit. Apparently due to crb checks & child protection improving so much in the uk the dodgy teachers are moving abroad to work in international schools. These schools do not have the checks in place we have in the uk.

So yes this is a very serious issue, hope you get a successful resolution.

steppemum · 11/11/2012 21:41

school shoes blues

Hi there. i used to live overseas, in 2 different countries. I taught at an International school in one of them. I am still very involved in helping families who are working in odd places with finding ways of education their children, including International schools.

first, don't involve the local police. I am guessing, but in the countires I have worked in they just wouldn't 'get' it, because the system is different and the expectations are different.

You don't actually have much redress as this school is private and can basically do what it wants unless parents complain and/or they are breaking local laws.

Your best redress is the schools board. I suggest you write a letter to all board members. Write exactly what you have written in your post. Then add something about the current expectations on the UK, including examples of code of conduct around restraint and touch (should be able to download these, sorry don't have a link)

Clearly state what you want as a result, as you have done here.

You need to send it too all board members, so the school owner can't sweep it aside.
I would report it to the embassy, formally, but I don't know that they can actually do anything.

do google him, see if there is anything there.

The guy may just be an idiot, he may not have any untoward intentions, but what he did was inappropriate. The fact he wouldn't leave the changing rooms and was in the water anyway is inappropriate.

there are a lot of forums on-line which give advice and comments on places to go and schools overseas, so I would tell them you will post on all of them unless they take action

schoolshoeblues · 11/11/2012 21:44

steppemum, thank you...

I have googled him. Only good stuff.

I'm off to bed now, need to get some rest. Thanks to one and all, will let you know how it unfolds over the next few days...

ssblue

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Procrasstinator · 11/11/2012 21:46

the fact that he was even in the changing room in the first place, is bonkers

CaliforniaLeaving · 11/11/2012 23:19

I remember reading something like MulledWine mentioned, It must have been on here.
Teachers from UK and US who manage to bullshit their way into school and colleges in Asia and continue inappropriate behavior.
I would do a search on him online and see what pops up.

quoteunquote · 12/11/2012 00:17

Send an email to the Paedophile Unit content.met.police.uk/Site/childprotectionpaedophiles

They may well have heard about this person before,and like to be kept updated.

I would defiantly talk to the embassy.

LadyArtois · 12/11/2012 00:54

You should definitely carry on fighting this. I am really sorry to hear what you have all been through.. That bastards behaviour is shocking! Someone has mentioned about asking as to why he is abroad (why he has moved from teaching in the UK). I have experience in Recruitment and before anyone is offered a job in the organisation I work for, we always request a 'Certificate of Good Conduct' which is a police report from the candidates home country to give them the 'all clear' shall we say.. I know the rules aren't going to be the same abroad as they are over here, but maybe you should mention if anything like this was requested of him before/after he was offered the job. If not, maybe ask the school to request this. I don't know if they will be able to or if they are legally allowed to (or if the useless bloody school would want to), but this is just a suggestion. Get some background on him.

Hugs.

EldritchCleavage · 12/11/2012 02:20

Please do report him over here. If there is something on record here that Google has not thrown up, the authorities will make the link. Certain offences can be prosecuted here even if committed abroad, so in the awful event of future problems then by reporting this you may have helped to lay the groundwork for a prosecution.

Buddhastic · 12/11/2012 04:36

What country do you live in?

Lavenderhoney · 12/11/2012 04:51

Sounds awful. And there are no checks in place at international schools?

Personally I would call the council of international schools and speak to the director who looks after schools in your country of residence, and any other bodies that affiliate it o the uk. Should be a list on the school website.

It sounds very odd way to get a child to behave to me, segregation with so many teachers?, ta's and mums helping? And how has he got time for all this anyway? Have you asked the teacher herself / himself how she thinks your son should be controlled? I wouldn't put my child back in the school.

Is there a nursery or could you hire a uk nanny or au pair ? He is too young for main stream school yet so you have a few options.

ComradeJing · 12/11/2012 05:08

Schoolshoes I've worked in international schools and I would second the poster up thread who said that dodgy (for whatever reason - crap, lazy, terribly organised etc) teachers often go overseas and then move from posting to posting always just one step ahead of a bad reputation.

I also know of an international school in indo that employed a convicted paedophile. No one did any of the basic checks that would have meant his conviction would have been discovered. My friend was a parent at the school and removed his girls immediately. It was openly acknowledged by the school how big a fuck up they had made.

IME the only way to hurt these schools is to hit them in the pocket - make loud noises to other parents, embassy staff, local expat associations and any expat magazines or forums. Make it clear to the owners of the course of action you will take. They're hoping to fob you off and that you'll just leave so they can sweep this under the rug.

ComradeJing · 12/11/2012 05:47

Just want to add that of course many/most of the teachers I met at international schools were fabulous and well motivated.

deXavia · 12/11/2012 06:23

Awful situation - and even worse reaction. You must be going insane.

I would write to them stating exactly - and as hard as it is - in as unemotive terms as you can what happened, who witnessed it, what the school's response has been. Time will erode memories and detail so get it down on paper/email.

Then state a timeline and your expectation. Send it to the head of school and the two board members you have already contacted. Explain that you expect a response within 48 hours with a plan of how they will investigate and address the issues. And copy in the Ambassador - but keep it professional not because he is your friend - by copying him in then morally (I have no idea legally) you do make him responsible for seeing something is done to protect other British citizens.

Personally before I broadcast far and wide I would push it officially as possible - its a horrific incident and from what you've said maybe libel laws are a bit loose there - but I wouldn't risk that until I had exhausted all other options.

Alligatorpie · 12/11/2012 06:40

What an awful experience for you. I work in an international school in the developing world, and I have never heard of this kind of thing happening.

You might want to post on TES ( TES.co.UK ), it is a website for teachers and they have an overseas forum. You are not allowed to name schools, but you may get some good advice. There are lots of long term teachers on there.

What are you doing about school for your son in the meantime?

Alligatorpie · 12/11/2012 06:44

Also, I am not sure accreditation would actually do anything as their concern is that the school is teaching the curriculum that they should be. But it might be worth talking to them. If the owner of the school knows you will talk to them, you might get more of a response from him though.

MrsSchadenfreude · 12/11/2012 07:36

Is it "British" international school? If so, it is more than likely that the Ambassador or someone at the Embassy is on the Board of Governors (this has been the case at all of the international schools where I've lived - ditto American schools and the US Embassy), so I would speak to them in the first instance. And also to the accreditation board. (Sorry, just seen that you have!) Can you go into the school and insist on speaking to the owner and not leaving the premises until you have seen him?