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To re-register DD's birth with DP named as father instead of him adopting her and all the hassle which goes with that?

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WeakCough · 10/11/2012 22:03

I have a 10 year old DD who adores my DP and says he is the 'best Dad ever', etc etc. DP has expressed a wish to adopt her as I am 35 weeks pregnant and we would love to be a complete family.
DD has discussed this and would love for DP to be her 'real' dad (she knows he is not biologically).
She has never met her bio dad and he in turn does not wish to have any contact- I have given him numerous opportunities and choices over the years and he has only ever responded once to say he doesn't want to know.
There is no father named on DD's birth certificate and it strikes me that it is a much easier process to just name DP as the father on DD's birth certificate and re-register her birth- i stumbled across the info when looking at forms for DP to go and register our new baby's birth.
Can anyone see any potential problems with this? Is it morally wrong (everyone concerned knows the actual situation, nobody is being deceived- just would be so much easier!)

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notactuallyme · 10/11/2012 23:06

Finances, attitudes to different cultures and orientation, resons for break up, basically I think to ensure that removing pr from one person and giving to another was a sound decision. We were interviewed together and alone, and had references (personal) for dh.
I found it all quite positive tbh, and the adoption ceremony at magistrates was really nice.
It was several years ago.

Spero · 10/11/2012 23:08

If you get married, she will be a 'child of the family' which will give him some kind of status as her father. He would be expected to maintain her if you split up.

I think the fact he is prepared to declare himself in this way is by far the most important thing - being a biological father or having legal status as a father, sadly does not necessarily ensure that a man will love and voluntarily support a child.

notactuallyme · 10/11/2012 23:08

However I did have a momentary panic at the loss of dd for a tiny amount of time!

WeakCough · 10/11/2012 23:09

Ah, fair enough. I suppose the fact that no father is named on DD's birth certificate may make the process easier for us as there won't be that side of things. When you say finances, do you mean how finances are structured within the family or do you mean they did credit checks etc?

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WeakCough · 10/11/2012 23:10

When we get married, will DP automatically get parental responsibility or would we still have to apply separately?

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WeakCough · 10/11/2012 23:14

Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and opinions on this thread by the way- I thought I was going to get a flaming!
I realise my OP was an error of judgement and I won't be gong down that route- but thank you for being fairly gentle about it!
Also thanks to those who are sharing their experiences, they are really helpful as a lot of the info out there about adopting stepchildren is very negative and offputting.

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ToothGah · 10/11/2012 23:20

DP has expressed a wish to adopt her as I am 35 weeks pregnant and we would love to be a complete family.

I think it's pretty sad you think you can't be a complete family without him adopting her. Love is more than a piece of paper.

Glad you've seen the light on falsifying legal documents though.

notnagging · 10/11/2012 23:21

God forbid something goes wrong with your new dp, then what?

mymatemax · 10/11/2012 23:23

It's illegal & morally wrong

WeakCough · 10/11/2012 23:25

Thats not really what I meant- I feel you are twisting my words somewhat. Or maybe I didn't really explain myself properly.
We already are a complete family, we refer to ourselves as such and DD calls DP 'dad'. I think from DPs perspective he would like DD to feel like she has equal status to the new baby and not feel pushed out when it arrives- and I also think we would like him to have some kind of legal status, even if it is just PR.

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WeakCough · 10/11/2012 23:33

Toothgah, notnagging, mymatemax- have you read the whole thread?
I have quite clearly said I realised that my OP was an error of judgement.

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InNeedOfBrandy · 10/11/2012 23:36

Never mind about all the legal side, just because his name would be on their would not give him parental responsibility, nor the baby your expecting. You have to either be married for that to happen, adoption, court grants it.

IneedAsockamnesty · 11/11/2012 00:19

Op, with no other person having pr apart from you then a residency order won't take ages as the sole party with pr is in agreement in all likelihood it would be done very very quickly with no cafcass.

Inneedofbrandy you know the law changed several years ago don't you? Think it was 2000 or there abouts nowadays an unmarried dad who is named on the birth cert does have PR no court order or marriage needed, so the expected baby would have a dad with pr even if they don't marry or get a court order.

InNeedOfBrandy · 11/11/2012 00:26

sock both my dcs dads are on birth cert(at 2006 and 2007) and registar was at pains to point out they don't have PR and if we got married it would have to be altered and the dc dads would. I'm sure (no offense not being sarky) the registar knew what they were on about.

Spero · 11/11/2012 00:32

I think the law changed in 2003? But certainly by 2006. Any father named on birth certificate has PR married or not. That was case for my daughter in 2005. Sadly it means little to her father who choses to exercise his responsibility infrequently. So I would much rather have had a man who meant it, rather than legal status.

InNeedOfBrandy · 11/11/2012 00:36

I am 100% on this. Neither of my dc's dads have PR I remember vividly the argument I had with ds dad (07) when the registar was on about us getting married and that we would have to change birth cert and me saying "but I would never marry you" and him kicking right off. I have no idea if it's anywhere on birth certs but am quite happy to take a photo of their bc and put on my profile to prove what I'm saying.

WeakCough · 11/11/2012 00:40

Sockreturning- thanks for that. So two different options really- Dp away with work so I will discuss with him on his return.
We have been talking about it in vague terms for a year or so ( since before i fell pg, actually, in fact at the same time as discussing getting married really), but Dp asked me the other day who we should contact about it so I think with the imminent arrival the time has come to look at it in more detail, although realistically it may be better to wait and begin the process after we are married?
As an aside, I do think PR is automatic now when named on birth certificate- sounds like that registrar might have been giving out outdated info!

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Viviennemary · 11/11/2012 00:42

I didn't think you could re-register a birth like this but I don't know for certain. And as for lying. I am sure there are a lot of fathers on birth certificates that are not the biological fathers. But if you didn't even know your current DP when your daughter was born then I don't think it's really right that he should be named as her father on her birth certificate.

WeakCough · 11/11/2012 00:42

here
So if you jointly registered birth after 2003 he will have PR, registrar was talking bollocks.

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InNeedOfBrandy · 11/11/2012 00:43

I doubt in the big city I live in 2 different registars gave out the same incorrect information Hmm

WeakCough · 11/11/2012 00:43

Vivienne- read the thread Grin

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Viviennemary · 11/11/2012 00:49

It's too complicated for me at this time of night. I'm usually in bed by now. Grin

IneedAsockamnesty · 11/11/2012 01:13

Brandy if you live in the uk then unfortunately yes two registrars did give you incorrect info.

If his name IS on the birth cert then that means he has PR it won't make reference to pr on the cert as they don't but his name being on it is his evidence of having automatic parental responsibility.

You taking him with you to register the baby and agreeing that he can sign to say he is the dad as he can not do so with out your consent or a court order is evidence of your consent to him having pr.

He only has to marry you or obtain a court order to get pr if his name is NOT on the birth cert.

InNeedOfBrandy · 11/11/2012 01:19

I could argue and actually prove my point but I know I'm right 100% on this and I can't be bothered to convince strangers online at this time of night by giving out personal info. 100% my dc fathers do not have PR and whatever you want to say that won't change it.

InSPsFanjoNoOneHearsYouScream · 11/11/2012 01:20

I was in your daughter's shoes. At 10 I was adopted by my stepdad. I have two birth certificates. One with bio dad on it and now one with my step dads name on it.

My bio dad signed all rights over to my stepdad.

Apparently if I try use the birth certificate that has my bio dads name on it its fraud but I'm not totally sure

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