to think that child benefit changes to those on over 60k is genius?

[patsara]

And a bloody good idea? I mean those on under this aren't going to have sympathy and the REALLY rich and powerful? Well, it's nothing to them.

It's also really funny to hear stories of couples trying to think of ways to say they're not a family. So you're living with a man who is the father of your child but you're not a family? Riii-ght...

I think people should just forget subterfuge and suck it up. I earn 100k a year and losing it will mean nothing to me. Rather it went to feed some REALLY poor kid myself.

....might then complain!

why does it matter if they are both earning?

my husband is a higher earner, he earns just over 60k but he is in his 40s and has had to climb up the greasy pole like your next man. When we first met he was on less than 20k, then less than 30 and 40 for years, despite studying and getting two degrees through OU and distance learning and working in industry. It's only recently he has managed to get promotion by moving company etc. i think we have all been reliant on lower wages at some point and for us it was without top ups from tax credits.

We will cope though but we will most probably never own our home or anything else of value and it means my poor daughter will be at the hands of our care system which seem to think she can go out shopping on her own eventually despite being in nappies as a teen and having the mental age of a toddler. For some of us it smarts even more that the system for allocation isn't fair, intelligent or even well thought out, especially when you take into account the historical aspect of family allowance

sorry my reply was to darkesteyes and I type extremely slow obviously, it's because as a sahm my fingers have become so lazy they have turned to rubber like a spitting image puppet

Errrr in my dp's job you don't get paid for overtime.You work until the job is done(weekends,late evenings,evenings at home on the laptop)or you don't have a job.There is no extra pay for it.Sometimes there is a tiny(after huge taxes) bonus that might edge you over the threshold but paid overtime no.Have to say I'm kind of wondering if it's worth working hard.

In his last job there was but why shouldn't anybody working all hours all week paying shed loads of tax decide they don't want to do voluntary paid overtime at the weekend so they can see their kids particularly if said overtime is taxed to buggary so you see little of it and you'd lose your CB.

I think it's to stilt aspiration as well.

My dh was from a council estate, as were my parents. We still have family who live on them, who work, can't say I see many dole dossers tbh, contrary to daily mail belief. As a working class woman I find it stifling and unfair.

Salary of £60k - take home £46k
Child benefit on 5 kids £4k
That's a huge % drop

well I just hope my carers allowance increases as a result, just over £50 a week v's my daughter in care because I have to work 200k ++++

but David Cameron had a child like mine, maybe he understands

Ahem

is that to me?

no-one has actually challenged me because they know very well that neither of the Camerons had to give up work to care for their son full time and they had hell of a lot of care, quite rightly though - everyone should have that support. So whilst they may understand the emotional impact I doubt they truly understand the physical side of it fully. I am very sad for their loss though, i shouldn't have even brought it up but he promised not to target families like ours and yet as I said earlier in the thread even at a local authority level we have been targeted first

I don't think it was to you Owl. You didn't say anything about DC's boy that isn't true, after all. I think it was more to posters alluding to the op's non return

No, owl, it wasn't. What I meant to say was:
Evening all
Please be nice to one another, even if you disagree with each other.
thank you.

'bout time you turned up Olivia. Fishermans friend?

Wot Olivia is acksherally sayin' right, is that it is probably not in the spirit of Mnet to call posters that disagree with your opinion "daft Bints".

Have you got a strepsil honey dragon?

Honey & Lemon or Blackcurrant?

I thought Daft Bint was a term of endearment.

Aaaaaaaw Viv you daft bint

Only when your intentions are both pure and noble or drowned in gin

Aaaw That's the first time I've had flowers!!

Sorry, that was for the OP.

If we are rich with my dh earning £50k before tax the why am I having to look for a second job? I work as a casual dinner lady in the school kitchens (bloody hard work) for £6.65 per hour and because we get no help with childcare, I'm going to have to work as a care assistant at nights to top up. We will have even less time together than we have now.

I have had to give up my job as self employed childminder today as I am fed up with competing with nurseries getting funding and offering free childcare whereas we get no help.

We have two older adults (22 and 19) and a 10 year old as well as us two, the eldest is looking for work after having graduated and worked in Germany for a month and the 19 year old is training to be a chef on an apprenticeship so they live at home and earn their keep doing jobs in the house. I do not even see the cb my 10 yr old gets, its goes to his bank a/c.

So think about what you are saying, its sounds very snobbish Patsara.

We are keeping all our child benefit. I still think its a crap idea. Its a cut that is going to cost more to administer than it will save. There are loads of ways that people can reduce their income (ie pensions, childcare vouchers etc. not doing over time, self employed becoming a company)

it is genius in the sense that the most vocal of society are losing their benefit. It is a smoke screen for the really cruel cuts to the disabled and vunerable.

The changes haen't even been implemented yet and already they are onto the next phase! Now it's child benefit for the first 2 children only. How many of YOU will that affect? What about the phase after that, and then after that? How long before Child Benefit is thing of the past. I give it 2 years.

I've seen reference to not doing overtime a couple of times now and I'm not sure it's an option for the majority of HRT payers. Paid overtime stops at a fairly junior management role in most professions. When I worked for a Local Authority overtime wasn't paid at senior officer level which starts at just under £25K. It was the same when I worked in the private sector - no paid overtime for professional staff but occasionally there were bonuses. My old firm hasn't paid a bonus since 2009 as far as I know and there hasn't been a pay rise either.

I agree with Justforlaughs. The next phases are the ones to worry about and the ones after that. Will we be seeing sneering from two child households at people with 3 or more? I bloody hope not!

A bonus? Neither of us have ever had a bonus! a bottle of wine at christmas or winning something on the christmas raffle is about as exciting as it gets