to think that child benefit changes to those on over 60k is genius?

[patsara]

And a bloody good idea? I mean those on under this aren't going to have sympathy and the REALLY rich and powerful? Well, it's nothing to them.

It's also really funny to hear stories of couples trying to think of ways to say they're not a family. So you're living with a man who is the father of your child but you're not a family? Riii-ght...

I think people should just forget subterfuge and suck it up. I earn 100k a year and losing it will mean nothing to me. Rather it went to feed some REALLY poor kid myself.

Ithink I'd love to(although it would be dp's pension not mine)but can't afford it.We fluctuate between 50 and 60.We need the money now.Only the rich will be able to do this-you know those on 100K dual or single income.

Yet more money wasted from this utterly unfair and ludicrous scheme.

I disagree catsmother, I spend my days sunbathing and eating cakes from waitrose

patsara, Rod Stewart's on Loose Women at the moment. That might cheer you up

Prarieflower, I'm feeling the same as you. DH's career has really taken off since I've been a SAHM, as he has had me around to do everything and not worry about getting home to pick dc up, etc. In the meantime, as much as I adore my dc, I've really lost my confidence and wouldn't know where to start now. I think I'm regretting it too now TBH

Couple 1 DH salary of 61K DW SAHM 5 DC loses CB

Couple 2 DH salary of 100k DW SAHM DH is self employed, has DW as an "employee" pays her a wage keeps it

Single parent 1 - on 61K loses it

Couple 3 - DH on 45K DW on 40K keep it

Couple 4 - DH on 60K DW on 20K lose it

The last 2 examples show why it is grossly unfair.

OK then - let's do a mini survey. Only SAHMs with partners earning 60 -100K need reply. Or those who are very good at putting themselves in that position.

Imagine you're offered a job in a similar line to whatever employment you had before children. Full-time (none of this 'school hours only' stuff) but nothing excessive. 9-5 kind of thing. It may not be super local, but the commute isn't outrageous either. Definitely less than an hour each way.

So, how much would this job have to pay gross for you to want to take it? Because that's how much your being at home is worth to you - and the amount you need to add to your partner's salary to make a fair comparison with a dual earner household.

By the way - I do think that child benefit to two earner households should be withdrawn before 100K. I just don't think it should be the same as a one earner household.

1 person in the household earning £60k does not mean you're rich.

2 people earning £49,000k each with 2 lots of personal allowance makes you better off than 1 person earning £98k AND you still get your CB.

The issue shouldn't be about who deserves CB or not, but about the unbelievable stupidity of the unfair way in which this change is being applied.

And for the record OP I am astounded that anyone would pay you £100k - you come across as a very angry and unpleasant individual with no social skills.

Atacareer many can't afford to stay at home.Many do it because their career is shot to pieces,there is buggar all work out there or because of other reasons.I doubt many do it for the hell of it, you get hammered re tax if you do and fuck all career when the dc leave home.

it depends whether I could go shopping all day really irregular and whether it would permit having my nails done and my hair highlighted

Add no pension to the list.

ABc I agree-op doesn't sound very bright to be honest.Op what on earth do you do,I'm dying to know?

I'm with Patsara on this.

Why should everyone get it.

£60000 may not be a fortune, but it is enough. Most of those earning that do not need the benefit - it is nice, it is useful, it may pay for extras, but very few need it. (I do appreciate people like ihategeorgeosbourne up thread do rely on it, but most should not have to). May be more notice should have been given so people had more time to come to terms with it.

I do however, totally agree that it is unfair that couples both earning £49 can keep it whereas those of us where one partner earns just over the limit can't. That has potential to cause an awful lot of resentment.

We will miss it, but only because we have been lucky enough to have been given it in the first place. We will survive, whereas those on really low incomes may actually need it to survive....

Ihate Karma feels the same-we should set up a screwed and up shit creek SAHM club.

I'm in the position of having a partner earning £60 on the one year that the figures will be taken from but I work in a supermarket, part-time for £7/ hour. As I have next to no qualifications I wouldn't be able to earn £38k a year or anything like it. With 5 children I stand to lose a lot of money. Does it bother me? Yes, a bit, it works out at approx 10% of our income. Would I mind if it was being given to someone who had less than we do, no I wouldn't (but it won't). Would I bat an eyelid if everyone was going to be in the same boat? No, but it annoys me that people who are earning far more as a 2 parent household will still be able to claim.

SAHMs are spoilt women?

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

What about:
Those women whose husbands don't allow them to work?
Those women who are caring for disabled or elderly relatives?
Those women who cannot afford to work because the childcare outweighs the benefit?
Those women who care for young children who can afford not to work?
Those women who volunteer?

The changes are unfair as many pp have said.

In larger families CB does often make the difference, it's not just about what's coming in but what's going out.

SAHMs aren't lazy FFS and crowing about a group of the population being hit in the pocket because of perceived characteristics is stupid. You are making yourself sound stupid OP.

And saying 'I'd rather it would go to a poor kid' - to be fair, I'd rather my CB did go to someone in greater need than me, but it won't. It won't be ring-fenced at all and will go on some other shit.

we are the same ithinkitsjustme but I have recently given up my job in the supermarket because I could no longer cope with doing that and looking after my daughter who has severe disabilities as her care package has been cut so much, something which is illegal but even my MP seems unconcerned about - so what's to do? afterall we all sit around, shopping and pampering all day so what does it matter. We are super wealthy and rich

How have the Tories managed to convince people that a Universal benefit is a lucky thing????

How is it that all of you are more worried about Janet down the road getting an extra £3000 a year for her three children, on top of her £60k income, as opposed to massive tax avoidance.

It's a bit shit, no?

People are so mean to each other. As long as you don't have children expecting others to pay for them, or for you to stay at home, why shouldn't you do what they want? Stay at home, go to work, why do people get cross with the "other side"?

Ithinkitsjustme - I'm sure whether your partner has to pay the CB back in a given year will depend on how much he earns in that same year, not in some arbitrary year.

Dear OP. I know a SAHM whose DH earns £60k. Even so, they still scrimp and save, go without 2 cars, sky etc to make sure their children have enriching lives. She cannot work now anyway as one of her children has terminal cancer which is beyond heartbreaking and would destroy a lesser family. So now this family will also be penalised and will suffer financially. Those 50mile each way hospital trips aren't cheap you know. It isn't funny, you are not being clever. i wish you had never started this thread.

Brycie, that post was to the OP who seemed to indicate that SAHMs were useless and it was fine for household earning over £60k to keep the benefit vs one worker households who can't because "at least both parents were contributing".

Ok.

I think the OP is on nowhere near what she says, she's come on here because she thinks it's full of ladies who lunch SAHMs who apparently sit in their arses all day and wants to create a stir.