to be fuming at stupid woman on the radio! She reckons CS are the easy option!

[newmummytobe79]

was listening to a woman on the radio who has had 7 kids. She thinks that women who opt for pain relief during labour are weak and should just 'get on with it'. She said epidurals and c sections are the easy option.

FWIW an emcs saved both mine and my baby's life. I went in with the attitude that I'd like to give birth naturally with maybe a bit of gas and air ... how wrong I was!

And recovering from an emcs is hell on earth!

AIBU to think that women like that do nothing for woman-kind whatsoever and shouldn't judge or make stupid comments on how women give birth.

Grrrrrrr!

Ladies and gentlemen, I direct you towards

My point will be made around 2.5 minutes in. just watch from there if you like.

For those who cannot actually view the video, here is what I am going on about.

There's nothing insane about natural childbirth!
Oh yeah? You think?! Is that what you're telling people? OK, great. How about... a natural appendectomy? How are those going? Much of a waiting list? Down the barn! Scalpel warmed up in a cows armpit!! Bite on a rag, stick your tummy out and it's a big "hello" to those perky little pain gates!!

It's a known fact that with the...

Oh just... do me a favour. All of you. Go home tonight, take your shoes and socks off and then stub your toe as hard as you can against the table leg of your choice. And then in out in out do the breathing exercises and see where that leaves you.

Pregnant women, I implore you! Look at the man you came here with. Look, specifically, at his head, and then do the maths before the maths do you. HEADS INTO TAILS DON'T WORK!

If that doesn't convince you to have pain relief, I don't know what will!

Who was this woman?

She should realise that medals are not handed out for non-interventional vaginal births and having had no pain relief

And that those of us who quite needed and enjoyed the gas and air offered [or whatever pain relief/intervention required] don't really give a fuck.

So she should just keep patting herself on the back, but do it quietly where we don't have to listen to you, there's a love.

I've had an epidural and abdominal surgery, but not a CS. Silly woman, why even bother saying things like that? People should mind their own business more.

I thought the epidural was the worst thing ever and I cried when they put it in and removed it. I'd actually rather give birth the old fashioned way again then have an epidural - shudder.

I've namechanged for this. Firstly this post sums it up:

"FFS what is it with people, I dont give a shiny shit how anyone gives birth apart from a passing interest into their experience. I certainly dont judge and couldnt give a fuck if your baby came out the sun roof or not."

And secondly, I didn't want to give birth vaginally. Not for one second of my entire life have I considered it, and whilst I had the option not to do that, I took it. I told my consultant that I couldn't face the nervousness of not knowing how things would progress, not being in control, and couldn't tolerate the thought of ANY risk to the baby. She shrugged and said fine, I was signed off for c section. Then it turned out she was lying sideways which is classed as "unstable lie" which is an kndication for CS anyway so I claimed on my medical insurance, transferred to the private wing and had a fully elective, private CS.
It was easy, pain free, I was up that evening and home within 4 days. The recovery was no more than uncomfortable, and certainly nothing like my sister who had a "graze" past her clitoris and still classes her vb as a positive experience.
I didn't want pain, the risk of a busted fanny, or the lack of control of increased intervention so bought my way out. "Too posh to push?" Maybe? Whatever. Seriously why would anyone give a fuck?

And the most deluded nonsense I've heard on the subject was on here, with a woman troll? claiming that when she delivered twins, the second one was CS and she had an epidural but thinks that she could have managed without pain relief as her hypnotherapy was so good.
These natural birth proponents do one hell of a job on those thick enough to believe ALL the hype. CS without pain relief? The entire surgical team would be struck off!!!

on, this radio woman was just part of the usual blah blah blah yap yap yap competitive birth shit.

I had a planned CS - no idea if I could have had one physically, had no big physical contraindications, but mentally I was phobic.

Had a great CS, perfectly healthy DS, a very quick recovery and overall it was a great experience. One other first time mum I knew who was giving birth around the same time had a 'good' vb, with a few stitches and was home the next day. The rest had worse recovery times than me, a few much worse including the mum with an infected episiotomy and bad stitch job (they are going down the legal route it is so bad) who had to give up Bf-ing as she couldn't sit down and lieing down to feed all the time was so hard.

So I count my lucky stars I had a good birth, and will be having a planned Cs for my 2nd in the hope that it is comparable.

I could not give a flying fuck how anyone else chooses to give birth.

If they have a positive experience and are happy about it, whatever it is, then that's marvellous. different women will always - ALWAYS - attach different values to the same set of risks, and come to different conclusions.

It's called 'thinking for yourself.' If someone can't understand that, smile, walk away and avoid like the plague.

Mrsdevere I personally didn't say that anyone who thinks they can get through childbirth without pain relief is deluded. I said someone who thinks they can get through a CS without anaesthesia is deluded. And mad, frankly.

The whole "CS isn't easy, it sucks" line isn't always true. And that's way many many people pay to have it in the face of vb, or beg for one in the NHS.

Rent-a -gob to get people to phone in. Ignore, most normal people don't have such odd black and white views.

This argument and the generalisations surrounding it is and always will be pointless. You can have a terrible VB that leaves damage which lasts for years. You can (apparently) have a wonderful cs involving a slight bit of discomfort and easy recovery. Or the other way round. Neither way is "easier" than the other as you never know what you're going to get.

My tally is one cs, one VBAC. VBAC infinitely better for me. But that's just me...

El CS are very different to Em CS.

I see this a lot on mn, elcs are not necessarily easier than emcs, and there is a higher risk of breathing difficulties for the baby with elcs. I was wrecked after my elcs, both physically and mentally. It is a day I still struggle to think about without crying.

Hazey - I am sorry to hear that.

I don't really have any good words, as I am one of those 'ElCS are good' so I am sorry yours was not. x

I suppose a pain free bit of the actual birth is what is regarded as the easy option... the recovery though is a different matter. my stitches hurt like hell and there were only a few, I dead to think what a full depth wide major abdominal surgery c section is like...

does she also advocate natural dentistry with no pain killers? how about an extraction?

"I said someone who thinks they can get through a CS without anaesthesia is deluded. And mad, frankly."

There are accounts of people having successful surgery under hypnosis. here

"I think women should get the births they need and everyone else should keep their beaks out"

It helps if everyone stops being so fatalistic about it - insisting that 'what will be will be', and starts taking on board that where you have your baby and how you are looked after can make a huge difference to what type of birth you have and how you feel about it afterwards.

was listening to a woman on the radio who has had 7 kids

Did she say if they were adopted? Maybe she used a surrogate.

EMCS saved my son's and my own life. I don't give a shiny shite about what some other woman thinks about it.

I think a lot of people on here have said that it depends on each womans circumstance and each womans pain theshold within that circumstance.

Surely it isnt ever, either or, but that we support new/recovering mothers and not do the guilt fest thing.

I've recently had my third c-section. This one was a planned one, the first two were emergencies. I was told by the doctor as I was being stitched back up after the 2nd one just not to bother trying for a vaginal birth with the third, I would just end up in the same situation again.

Each c-section has had a different recovery. This one has been the worst so far, despite not being preceeded by endless hours of painful labour. Who'd have thought.

Ok, yes, I really dislike hearing people whinge and complain when they can't see how easy they have it in this country and in this day and age but I keep that private and am never rude enough to comment on people's choices.

Ok, yes, I really dislike hearing people whinge and complain when they can't see how easy they have it in this country and in this day and age but I keep that private and am never rude enough to comment on people's choices.

Um, but you just have been rude enough to. Why the hell shouldn't people have a 'whinge' or 'moan' if they are in pain, discomfort and fear, or left traumatised by an event that, yes can be wonderful (by either method), but can also be physically and mentally damaging for both the mother and the baby (in any country!).

In my case the CS was the easier option. I had 4 DC by VB with gas & air, and had stitches with each one. Final DC was breech and after ECV failed they told me I had to have a CS. I was worried sick, I ranted and railed to anyone who would listen. I'm needle phobic and usually ask to be knocked out for any medical procedures. In the end the CS was the easiest of all of them and recovery was no harder than the VB.

But I found the ECV incredibly painful and similarly the amnio hurt, whereas other people report minor discomfort for both procedures.

We are all different.

Live healthy baby and healthy Mother = successful birth

Does anyone really care about anything else?

I've had four sections and couldn't really give a crap whether people think it's easy/not natural. I don't care whether you pushed Jimmy out with one cough and whale music or whether you pushed Jenny out with all the drugs you could get your hands on, it's your business. I've never really read a birth story either, except Nickelbabes. Perhaps rather than thinking about women in the UK being smug or misinformed how about concentrating on women all over the world who face their maternity with a huge risk to both their and their baby's health.

And promoting a good birth choice here is obviously essential!!

I'm sure by now her babies slid out like a wet fish.

I had 2 CS with my 2 and Yes, I took the 'easy' way out but the 1st saved my son's life. Do I worry about what people think of my birth choices? Not at all, but that's due to the fact that DS and DD were born alive and that's all that mattered to me. I just find it completely stupid to compare birth stories and compete over it.

Each woman has her experience and that is that. There shouldn't be 'My birth was better than yours as I didn't need pain relief and birthed naturally'. It should simply be 'My birth was different/similar to yours'.