to think capping benefits at 2 children is a good idea

[moogstera1]

Child-related benefits may be 'capped' at two children"
*Iain Duncan Smith said the current system, where families get more benefits the more children they have, was among changes being considered.

Families on benefits were often "freed from" the decision of whether they could afford more children, Mr Duncan Smith said, and must "cut their cloth".*

yes yes, before I get jumped on, if both your arms fall off and a previously hard working wage earner is jobless, there should be ( and I imagine would be)a safety net for those who then need benefits and have more than 2 chidren; but, in principle, I agree that working families seem to have to make much more difficult decisions regarding how many children they have than long term non working do, and it's mostly about finance.
The suggestion is that this would not be happening till 2015 and then only to new claimants so no comments about which children should be sacrificed, please.
The idea seems to be to only factor in 2 children wrt tax credits, child benefit

Another sky tv comment just as I was posting.

What if it's part of a combined Internet/phone/tv package that works out cheaper?

Either way it's none of your business

So, Moogy people with disabilities should rely on charity and the kindness of those who 'donate' their taxes. They are not workshy, they are ill, but you think that they are not, by dint of their disability, in any way, shape or form, allowed to have luxuries. Just so that we're clear, I'd like you to answer that. Oh, and out of interest, what gives you the right to endorse such a dictat? Is it your taxes. You think that nobody should be entitled to anything other than basics, is that right?
I take it you will be voting UKIP next time, that way there is the possibility that you may not have to even look upon these folk.

I'll prepare my annual return for you MrsD

In triplicate?

Agree with Nice, I don't believe it is lack of eduction that forces poorer families into having more children, it is culture driven. With a lack of prospects, ambition and low self esteem, having a baby gives purpose and status to many and this culture perpetuates itself. Limiting benefits might discourage some from having more children than they can afford, I don't know? There may be a few that suffer as a result though, but if it acts a deterrent to thoughtless reproduction the disadavantages may be outweighed by the benefits?

mrs devere there was a statement a few days ago ( by a man whose name escapes me) who said that many people are worried about the "bedroom tax" but that pensioners and people with disabled children would absolutely not be affected and that this has always been the case but there has been a lot of scaremongering.

i refuse to believe that any 15 / 16 year old is ignorant of contraceptive choices.
You refuse to believe quite a lot of things by the looks of it, moogy...

Of course you can have a say in how your taxes are spent. What you can't do is decide how other people should spend their benefit money just because you are a tax payer

With a lack of prospects, ambition and low self esteem, having a baby gives purpose and status to many and this culture perpetuates itself. Limiting benefits might discourage some from having more children than they can afford, I don't know? But that is exactly what 'lack of education' is.

Moogy I did put up a link, one that clearly states that there are exceptions, but that it is not available to all with disabilities.

Jins.

I think the post about not having a right to know how tax was spent was a response to a rant of mine.
I said that some tax payers go on about how their tax is spent like they have a right to decide. I pointed out that collectively society could do this indirectly through the voting system, but as yet no government have called upon individuals to offer a preference. So all those saying "I don't want my taxes.... etc, have no say anyway.

'people with disabled children would absolutely not be affected and that this has always been the case but there has been a lot of scaremongering.'

No.

On radio 4 the other day a tory MP had to admit that DC was not correct in his assertion that disabled people would not be affected by the bedroom tax - they will.

a PM lying is not really a debatable topic. isn't it what they do?

Dawn, it's not just education though is it, because two girls who attend the same school and effectively receive the same education can have completely different prospects and attitude to thier lives. The difference is their cultural backgrounds and the attitude of their friends and family which has a greater influence than education alone.

Lets hope the clowns are voted out soon.
How soon can we get them out?

I wouldn't hold your breath, morethan. MN is not necessarily representative of real life.

The saddest thing is that it's probably the in-fighting in Labour during the 90s/00s that have indirectly got us to this point. That's why their finances weren't better in the good times. And Brown as PM was a big reason a lot of people voted conservative.

And now look what's bloody happening.

'Bedroom tax' is one of those ideas that sound good in the abstract. You know, lots of people not on HB can't afford a spare room, etc, etc. Until you start thinking about actual case studies it will apply to. And almost all of them sound like they should have an exception. Which makes any sensible person realise why it hadn't been done in the past.

Bedroom tax sounds good in theory but people on benefits especially jsa get the minimum that a person can live on so how can they then take money from it to pay for a bedroom. If a single man needs a minimum of £74 a week to live on how can they then say he can afford to spare £14 for bedroom tax.

Secondly bedroom tax rules do not comply with housing association rules.

3rdly as stated befoe, the whole diverse range of people means there are so many cases that should be exempt

4th the majority of people with spare bedrooms are elderly and they are exempt

5 th, people are going to have to move again and again, people on benefits can't afford to move house every few years, who's going to pay.

6 th it's actually going to encourage people to have more kids to fill there bedrooms, many would rather an extra mouth to feed than uproot there whole family to move miles away into a smaller house away from extended family, friends, schools.

7 th many mums are going to go without food to pay bedroom tax to keep their children in their homes

Any of the proposals for benefit cuts are ridiculous to those with an ounce of intelligence. Its just that some people fail to see this as they are so wrapped up in their own little petty point scoring, jealousy, and entitlement.
We don't have a spare room, I don't work but when I did I didn't give a monkeys if a family on housing/other benefits had one. Why are people so obsessed with I want what they have, or why should they have one if I can't? FFS this generation is a pile of Verruca Salts. .
Whilst in the real world there are families struggling, cuts being made that will have a detrimental impact on the most vulnerable in society. But hey ho, don't let them have any money, a spare room, a luxury now and again, because they can't have what I have or want. What a pile of entitled bitches, you should be ashamed.

Sorry, I meant to add. We don't have sky tv neither as we can't justify the cost when we have other things to do, and don't watch much tv.
I don't care who else has it, how they pay for it, or whom pays for it.