to think capping benefits at 2 children is a good idea

[moogstera1]

Child-related benefits may be 'capped' at two children"
*Iain Duncan Smith said the current system, where families get more benefits the more children they have, was among changes being considered.

Families on benefits were often "freed from" the decision of whether they could afford more children, Mr Duncan Smith said, and must "cut their cloth".*

yes yes, before I get jumped on, if both your arms fall off and a previously hard working wage earner is jobless, there should be ( and I imagine would be)a safety net for those who then need benefits and have more than 2 chidren; but, in principle, I agree that working families seem to have to make much more difficult decisions regarding how many children they have than long term non working do, and it's mostly about finance.
The suggestion is that this would not be happening till 2015 and then only to new claimants so no comments about which children should be sacrificed, please.
The idea seems to be to only factor in 2 children wrt tax credits, child benefit

"birds - so basically what is being suggested is actually illegal?"

We would have to break EU directives, in lots of areas, around the Rights of the Child, welfare benefits, Poverty, deprevation and Human Rights.

Also the way that the Children Act 1989 and 2004, including ECM is written, those families that didn't get benefits and where experiencing hardship would have to have the LA (SS) step in and provide what is missing, at a much higher cost.

so it's just a big wind up then?

fucking tory wankers

stick to painting birdbaths or whatever the fuck you do

It would take three generations to get any sort of results just as the current situation didn't happen over night.
Those up in arms, what is your solution because throwing money at the feckless didn't work so you can understand having failed with the carrot why the stick is the logical next step, but if not that then what ?
I see schools in deprived areas that look like mini Disney lands and the parents still don't take the children in, obviously staying at home with mum if preferable (said sarcastically) with all the facilities school has to offer there is no way the children are staying away so what do we do to get the horse to water and make it drink because the current system is not working and we are still the highest rate in Europe if teen pregnancies I believe despite there being no council properties for the last 10 years.

i don't know mosman. who does? do you? does Cameron? does anybody?

but capping benefits that will directly affect children IS NOT THE ANSWER

There's evidence that the children don't receive the benign of the money now so what's the point.

Mosman tell me about your ICSI and eggs and stuff...

because however shit their lives are now they would possibly be even shitter with less money.

Perhaps we could start by stop giving child benefits to:

1. people who pay higher rate tax
2. children who view breeding as an alternative to work

What would you like to know Glue

About them putting back eggs

It's very short sighted. Look what happened with China's 'one child policy': they now have a social care crisis.

We already have a social care crisis. If you reduce the number of children you 'allow' each poorer family to have, you not only increase child poverty, you also increase the likelihood that the state will be paying to look after the parents in their old age...

Which why everyone who agrees with idea has clearly stated that it would not impact the children already here. There would need to be at least a three year "warning period" and can you imagine the birth rate spike in the lead up to the cut off.

What about it ? The medical proceedure involved ?

Yes, what eggs do they put back?

So basically birdsgottafly, the Tories are like my shitty ex. Loads of big promises but without the means to deliver on them.

Even they put back the ones that have survived the thawing process and look most likely to go to blasts in my case but everyone is different.

How did they freeze them?!

You don't really get to see all that it takes place in a laboratory

but mosman, come on. it wouldn't stop people having more children. so there would be the roughly the same amount of children with less money.

How do they get them out though? Is it an operation?

Yes glue it's an operation with a GA

And when the eggs are back, where do they put the sperm? Is that why you GA?

But with respect seal I think that's the aim less money from the state so if knowing that's the case you still have lots of children then so be it.
Decent families won't suffer, we were dirt poor growing up but we never really went without I'm sure my parents did though. I see the girls I went to school with who grew up in poverty spoiling their children rotten whether they work or not and I don't think the children are happier than we were quite the opposite in fact.

Glue it's all on google and explained better than I ever could by dr's

It's just interesting to hear off sleeked that's done it. Do you have to take lots of tablets before? I'm aful at swallowing tablets unless I crush them. Where do the sperm go ?