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to have sobbed my heart out at work today because I shouldn't have to do this

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caniscantanymore · 17/10/2012 20:53

I'm a vet. Some details changed or omitted for anonymity purposes and because I'll get flamed for this.

Today a man brought his dog in to me.

The dog was a large, boisterous adolescent puppy. He hurtled into the room, bouncing up to me excitedly, wagging his tail all the time and nudging at my hand with his muzzle. His big squishy paws crashed against my chest each time he paused to greet me, as he bounded around the room investigating all the smells. He was an unusual cross, very striking to look at and obviously a bright and energetic dog. He was adorable.

The history went like this:

The dog had been bought as a tiny puppy by a couple who were told it was a "designer" cross between two specific small breeds. Now, if the people who bought this puppy had had the slightest inkling about what they were doing it would have been immediately obvious to them that this was most certainly not a cross between two small breeds. But anyway, they didn't have a clue so they bought the cute little puppy from this dubious source (probably at a cost of several hundred pounds) and took it back to their family home, complete with toddler.

The dog grew a bit and it became clear that it was actually going to be really big. It was bouncy, energetic and destructive. It kept racing around and knocking over their small child. So they rehomed it to a family member.

The family member also had children but they were slightly bigger children. The family member really wanted to do the right thing, so they tried to "discipline" the dog. The dog began to show occasional signs of aggression and was completely hyperactive in the home, destructive and unmanageable. I was not surprised to hear this, since it was obvious to me from this dog's heritage that it was the sort of dog which had significant needs in terms of exercise and stimulation. In an attempt to magically resolve the issues the family member had the dog neutered. Which unsurprisingly made no difference.

Today the dog was brought in to be put to sleep. It had growled very aggressively when a child had put its face near his, and between this and an imminent change in circumstances the family member felt unable to manage the dog any more. He had tried local and national rescue organisations, all of which were full. He had nobody to care for the dog overnight tonight. He was not able to take the dog home, partly because of safety concerns and partly because the decision had been taken together as a family that it was the right thing to do.

So I put this healthy, affectionate, vibrant dog to sleep while it munched on treats and the third owner in its short life cried into his fur. Then when it was just me and the body of this poor puppy I had a good old cry myself.

I know there will be people who think I was right to put down a dog who has shown any signs of aggression under any circumstances. I disagree.

I know there will be people who think I was wrong to put down a dog when I could have taken it and found it a new home. I disagree.

I also know that there will be many many people who have no idea that this is happening all the time in this country because of irresponsible ignorant greedy people, selling dogs to irresponsible ignorant feckless people, who then pass them on to naive and thoughtless "rescuers" who eventually get to the end of their tether and bring them to me for euthanasia. All the time.

These are the dogs who bite children in the home due to a total lack of knowledge, reasonable expectations and effort to socialise them adequately.

These are the dogs whose owners can afford four figure sums to buy the latest random mongrel "breed" with a stupid made-up name, but cannot afford fifty quid to get it vaccinated, far less any money at all to treat even minor illnesses.

These are the dogs who clog up rescue centres all over the country, waiting along with thousands and thousands of others for the home with no children, no other pets and eight-foot fences, with an owner who has experience of managing behavioural problems, works from home, has stainless steel furniture and can write blank cheques to pay for the inherited illnesses the dog suffers from. Homes which don't actually exist.

These are the dogs who I have to put down because I know that it is more responsible of me to painlessly take their life than to condemn them to wait with the rest of the enormous population of "difficult" dogs sitting in rescue kennels all over the country.

Please, please, I implore you. Get advice before you take on a dog - from a vet, a qualified positive behaviourist, the Kennel Club, the Blue Cross, the Dog's Trust, the RSPCA - the information is there for the taking, there is no excuse. Go to a decent breeder, who has a waiting list, or a rescue centre which really grills you thoroughly before matching you with a pet. Find out how to bring your puppies up properly so if you do find your circumstances change then at least they are rehomable. Make sure you can afford to pay for the unexpected. Make sure your expectations are fair.

Please, because I can't keep having to do this :(

OP posts:
wordfactory · 18/10/2012 12:49

Lots of spaces at lovely caring sharing resuce centres with no-kill policy you say flatbread ?

Oh look, there goes the Easter Bunny on his way to meet the Tooth Fairy.

ThatVikRinA22 · 18/10/2012 12:50

i think you should just take a step back flatbread, read your posts with the knowledge that you contributed to the problem that the OP has to clean up, and then perhaps you should shut up.

How many people keep uneutered dogs, let them breed, give away those cute little pups to "good homes" and then, never know what exactly happened to them after that? Did you vet those people and those homes? Do you know for sure that a change in circumstances would not mean one of those puppies you bred would not end up in the same situation? You cannot be responsible for other peoples actions after you have homed those pups. I know several people who i would never in a million years think were stupid enough to get pets and then rehome them - but they have. i have a great friend who bought a boxer pup with no knowledge of what she was doing - rehomed it within 6 weeks. another friend at work got 2 cats and left them when moving house. it amazes me that these, lovely, decent people, could treat animals like disposable objects, but people do.
Then its over to people like the OP to deal with, because people acted irresponsibly from breeding onwards.

You just lost any moral argument im afraid. I suspect you are too nieve and opinionated to realise it though. You and your actions contribute to this problem.
responsible owners neuter their pets. responsible owners do not say they work in rescues, see the problems that are created around casual breeding and still do it anyway.

flatbread your double standards are incredible.

MumsGoToReykjavik · 18/10/2012 12:52

I truly hope OP that reading this will jolt some sense into the overwhelming amount of idiotic dog owners out there. So sad for you and the poor dog but I don't think you could have done anything differently.

I wonder if someone could post the jist of the OP onto facebook so wankers like my not-fit-to-own-a-dog sister can read it and maybe think.

HoneyDragon · 18/10/2012 12:52

Its not an un pc thing to say at all.
it's a fucking stupid thing to say

Neuter dog if dog is pet.

It should cost money to buy a dog.

It should also cost to breed. Perhaps a licence at £200 per annum, and a £500 fine for unlicenced breeding?

And whether we like it or not dogs are commodities i the same way that people are. they have a lot of value if they are working dogs.

What dogs should not be is an accessory.

I am shitting bricks at the moment as the vet has suggested it may be better to let my dog have a season before getting her spayed. I need to start a thread on it, as the though of managing her in heat terrifies me. I do not want her to have have puppies.

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 13:11

I don't think this thread is being derailed. OP didn't post for tea and sympathy but to raise the subject and open it for discussion.

I have to say, my very difficult foster who I have had for 7 years would not be rehomeable. I wouldn't want to put him through the terror and stress of trying, he had 10 homes in 6 months when I took him. If I was dying and had no family or friends I would PTS for his sake. I don't care what you say, I don't want him to be in a rescue centre, he was there for 3 years in between homes and was unable to cope with the noise and the coming and going. Rescue shelters are fabulous places, don't get me wrong but it isn't an ideal home for a dog, long term it is stressful for many. I am not ashamed of this ONE BIT.

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 13:15

It is abusive to say a healthy young dog should not be killed after 20 minutes of time with the vet?

But it is not bullying to stalk a poster and try to discredit them because you don't agree with their beliefs? Really?

How does my having three dogs, presumably believing in pack theory (!), having pups and homing them responsibly, thinking mutts are genetically more diverse, in any way relevant to this thread?

I am not advocating double standards. If I killed dogs willy-nilly (with or without a fee), then yes, I could be accused of double standards.

The owner did not try all rescues. That is nonsense. I know of rescues that would be very willing to consider a young, healthy dog. This is a fact. A lot of dogs are happily rehomed. That is a fact. Many of us, including me, have rescue dogs who are doing very well. Yes, not all dogs are luckily, but why was those dog not given a full chance to live?

wordfactory · 18/10/2012 13:18

flatbread those are questions for the owner!

The owner, has the responsibilty. But many owners are simply not responsible. A vet cannot make them so.

cutegorilla · 18/10/2012 13:19

I really can't see that getting a dog PTS is giving an owner an easier way out than sending it to rescue. Quite the reverse. If the dog is PTS the owner (if they are half decent) will have to live with knowing that their choices lead to that dog's untimely demise. Too many times I've seen people congratulating themselves that they didn't destroy the dog, it went to rescue so it will have a perfect home and a lovely life and they are completely absolved of any guilt for making bad decisions in the first place. The truth is that often PTS is the better welfare option. The dog is not suffering any more. A life in kennels or, as far too often happens, in and out of rescue going to home after home that find they can't manage it, is no life for a dog. Not really. From an overall welfare pov it would be better to rescue and try to re-home those dogs with no health or behaviour problems. The dogs that are obviously going to be difficult to find the right home for should not be a priority when spaces are in such short supply. It's hard and harsh but it's reality.

I do totally agree that taking on a rescue animal is a great thing to do. I also agree that puppy farms and backyard breeders need to be dealt with. I do still think there is space for responsible breeders though. I don't think it would be good for dog kind if the only people left breeding were the puppy farmers who will continue to line their pockets while the rescues pick up the pieces.

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 13:22

But here is the moral question. Isn't it morally worse to breed dogs than euthanise them?
And that is really not aimed at you flatbread I know nothing of your circumstances, but to all those Akita/Husky designers, why would you breed an animal that is likely to be an accessory to people who also think a gun is a cool accessory? I think the breeders will go to Hell before the vets.

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 13:25

cutegorilla my darling little boy couldn't cope with rescue kennels. He couldn't cope with the run of homes he had either and was so anxious he peed everywhere and tore the house to bits. I would rather put myself to sleep than send him back there. He trembles when he goes to the vet, let alone having to go to an environment that he previously found so stressful he didn't eat for months.

Anyone who "saved" him with good intentions would be doing the wrong thing. i know, because I know him better than anyone. So I agree.

Acepuppets · 18/10/2012 13:29

I found my beautiful cat in a rescue RSPCA centre twelve years ago, she was about 18 months old and seemed to act as if she had been spayed, which made it all the more surprising that she was there. Her tail looked as if it had been trapped in the door at some stage and has always been a bit wonky. I was checked out by the charity before I was allowed to adopt her, which was the reason why I chose to get a cat from the shelter. She was very aggressive and wanted to trust but didn't know how, at the time I was a, 'spinster' with just her so I spent hours cuddling her and reacting to her aggression with more cuddles and now she is timid with strangers but once she feels safe she won't leave you alone - I am not a spinster now but she is happiest sitting on my knee in the evenings. Animals need a lot of love care and attention as well as training before they behave well out of habit - I'm trying to train my three year old now but he is much more challenging lol. If you want a pet that isn't going to inconvenience you a goldfish is a good choice.

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 13:36

And yes, Vicar, I did absolutely consider the situation. That is why I went with a rescue which has a 100% back-up policy. If the owner doesn't keep the dog for any reason it has to be returned to the centre. If any one of ours is ever returned, I am first in line to get them back. I gave them to the centre on this condition I stay in regular touch and get updates and have even been sent some photos. They are doing very well, touch-wood.

I don't see how any of this is relevant to this thread, though, except as a way of somehow trying to discredit me, and bully me into shutting up. So we can all go back and say, well done, OP, it was the right decision to kill a young healthy dog, with minimal effort to find a solution.

You know, next time on a thread where a poster says, 'for gods sake, you should make your child a proper lunch', is it ok to reply 'ah, but you did not breastfeed, how dare you criticise op for not feeding her child correctly' . That would be appropriate and relevant eh...?

Flatbread · 18/10/2012 13:50

Theo, interesting question. IMO, giving life cannot be equated with taking life.

In most societies, for human babies, at least, there are very few restrictions on creating life, but lots of moral and legal issues/regulation on ending/taking a life.

I think there is huge responsibility which comes with creating a life, and people need to do the right thing by the wonderful creatures they have bought into the world.

There is also a huge responsibility which comes with taking/ending a life. It should take more than 20 minutes to decide on killing a living being.

Blackballoon · 18/10/2012 13:52

I have helped put dogs to sleep because their owner didn't want them anymore and couldn't find a rescue centre to take them. Does that make me a bad person?

Sadly it's a fact that hundreds of dogs get put to sleep because there are not enough homes for them. You can not blame the vet! And to make out that it is all about the money is ridiculous!

People need to stop breeding their dogs which is where the problem stems from. I think the public should be made aware that healthy dogs are euthanased every day because there is nowhere for them to go. There is not an endless supply of kennels in rescue centres for them to go to and even then there are not the homes available.

I have a vet nurse friend who worked in an RSPCA clinic for a while. She was asked to PTS lots of animals simply because there was nowhere for them to go. She couldn't do it so left the job.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 18/10/2012 13:56

The fact is, Flatbread, you have criticised the op continually on this thread, when the op is vet, who clearly, from her compassionate post takes animal welfare very seriously. Yet you repeatedly and unnecessarily question her morals.

You fail to take into account that your own actions in breeding 8 unplanned puppies in your own backyard (which you then get DT to re-home for you) contribute to the very problem the op is talking about.

I've not seen a single poster on this thread agree with you Flatbread - do you wonder why?

HoneyDragon · 18/10/2012 13:57

Yes but if you disagree with Flatbread you are bullying Hmm

Northernlurkerisbehindyouboo · 18/10/2012 14:05

It's not stalking to point out statements made on a public website. Do you think we all have goldfish memories flatbread?

LtEveDallas · 18/10/2012 14:12

I'm not bullying you Flatbread, but I am very aware of the inconsistencies in your posts.

Right now the things you are saying make you sound as if you were going to use The Dogs Trust all along to rehome your 8 puppies - but you weren't, you posted over and over about how you were the best judge of character and how you would find your dogs puppies homes. But now you post: And yes, Vicar, I did absolutely consider the situation. That is why I went with a rescue which has a 100% back-up policy. If the owner doesn't keep the dog for any reason it has to be returned to the centre. If any one of ours is ever returned, I am first in line to get them back. I gave them to the centre on this condition I stay in regular touch and get updates and have even been sent some photos. They are doing very well, touch-wood

So which is the truth?

I am also confused as to how someone who claims to work in Rescue wasn't aware of the Dogs Trust, how it worked and what to do - oh but now you are saying you were fully aware.

Gosh, my poor old brain is hurting Smile

YerMaw1989 · 18/10/2012 14:12

Aw god that's awful, I hate the way seemingly 'problem dogs' are just put down.

Why aren't 'problem humans' put down then, its awful.

zombieplanmum · 18/10/2012 14:22

theo, i agree with you and for the most part i think the debate has been interesting but whats with the she said/she said, its a bit pants and detracting from the debate, which you so rightly say is why the OP has started this thread. I agree with someone who said that she should copy that OP to a newspaper, in fact with her permission i could send it to a friend of mine who is a journalist.

theodorakis · 18/10/2012 14:23

Yermaw, well you could say they are in the US!

Personally I don't think it is possible to compare humans to dogs in this context. Dogs are not humans, even the ones who think they are (Theogirldog thats you)

D0oinMeCleanin · 18/10/2012 14:24

It is awful YerMaw and unnecessary in most cases. There is help out there for dogs like that. Unfortunately the help is limited and hard to find, mainly because there are already too many dogs in rescue.

I don't agree with killing dogs for behavioural issues and for once actually understand where Flatbread is coming from, although I think placing the blame OP is wrong, she did what she felt she had to do at the time. It was not OP who placed the dog in the predicament it ended up in. The breeders should hold most of the blame, second to the people who bought from a disreputable 'designer' dog breeder without fully researching the mix of breeds and the needs of the dog. If they'd done their homework they would have spotted from the start that everything was not as it should be with this dog.

Rescue space is very limited, especially for dogs who have been deemed as child-aggressive, like this one would have been despite not actually being aggressive. There are rescues who will and do take in such dogs, but spaces among them are not easy to find.

They are particularly hard for the general public to find.

I agree with whoever mentioned about a national database showing who still has space and who does not being a good idea. I also think someone needs to get the RSPCA to pull their fingers out of their arses and start spending some of the millions they have stashed away in the bank helping dogs like this instead of leaving it all down to smaller, poorer rescues.

HoneyDragon · 18/10/2012 14:32

I have a huge bias with this op, I'll be honest now and risk a flaming myself.

The area where I used to live was very rural, but oddly similar to Dooins, in that a LOT of dogs seemed to dumped there.

My friends daughter was a vet. Her boss was renowned for his all round amazingness and lovliness.

But was adamantly against rehoming "problem" dogs. If a dog was brought in to be PTS, than that dog was PTS. His reasoning was it would be PTS by the local pound so why let it suffer.

My friends DD thought she could live with this as part of the job. Turned out three years later that she couldn't live with it at all Sad

So no I'm not going to flame the op. But until all vets are good vets, until it is law that you cannot pts sleep a healthy dog on the say so of the owner or a vet being paid to do it. Whilst people who should be saving animals are killing them for no good reason, I still can't bring myself to have a go. I just can't.

The whole situation is utterly fucked up.

pigletmania · 18/10/2012 14:42

Do you think the op loves killing healthy dogs for kicks Hmm. No because as a professional she knows the situation is dire and there isent the space for them, it's not just one dog I am sure she had many dogs like this come to her. We have no ets at the moment but don't rule out a small dog in the future when the kds are teens and we can look after it better

Blackballoon · 18/10/2012 14:43

Honeydragon A vets job isn't to save animals, it is to ensure good welfare of an animal. There is no welfare issue in putting an animal to sleep. There are plenty of welfare issues when they refuse so an owners decides to smack a dog over the head with a spade because the vet won't put it to sleep! And yes I have seen that happen!