in thinking raising obnoxious kids might actually be in their best interests?

[Quasimodo]

was helping on a school trip yesterday. i found myself vexed, not by the rowdy/rude/answer back type kids (have one of them, know how to handle! ) but a couple of quiet/aloof kids who just completely ignored me! with a defiant superior air! drove me a bit mad...but got to thinking, they will probably go far?? under the radar, well spoken...and you can get away with alsorts huh?

is their any benefit to raising 'good' kids? really? quite determination, self-belief...all high flying characteristics

i spect their parents think they are anyway...awfully polite...but at the same time...completely disrespectful how d'they manage that?

So,.. What did you do when they 'ignored' you?? Just let them ?
They obviously get away with being like that at home otherwise they wouldn't be like that.
If you are supervising a group of children they have to know they have to do as they are told in that situation i.e. a trip,. There is plenty of other times for 'individuality' and free expression

Kids won't go very far if they cannot follow instructions when it matters.

Cailin, you are right learning to play by the rules and know when might be a good time to keep your head down or the times when breaking the rules can be ok is a hard skill for children to learn.

DS is ASD and a young teen & he has no instinctual understanding of these kind of vagueries and trying to "teach" him is a nightmare. I struck up a thread recently about why teaching your children that they mustn't lie is stupid & had some interesting responses back. DS's ASD has really highlighted to me how much we interact at an "instinctual" level, even though we don't even realise it.