to not understand the words "I'm not a feminist"?

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I've seen this countless times on MN and I really don't get it.

Actually I've heard it quite a few times in RL too.

So, to those of you who are so keen to communicate your non-feminist standing, could you please explain to me which part of 'total equality between the sexes' you disagree with?

Alternatively, you could (gently) explain to me which part of that generic description of feminism I seem to have misunderstood?

We have the Climate Change conference in Qatar soon, maybe you can be the UK delegate, nice sunny warm weather and a lovely hotel room. I would much rather we could elect you Cat, rather than the usual stuffy old farts too scared to rock the oil boat.

Equalism and feminism are completely different things. Not comparable at all!

Oh, and I'm pretty sure that paganism and Wicca aren't points on a continuum either!

Yes, it does help when you take terrorist/killers out of the equation!

Otherwise it looks like one is comparing 'extreme feminists' with terrorists and murderers.

Best just to avoid such a silly comparison in the first place IMO!

I'm not sure what an 'extreme feminist' is, but I'm pretty sure they don't bomb anybody.

Oooh that sounds lovely Theo! I could do with some sunshine.

I shall sort the issues in no time and breathe a bit of life into the delegates.

Funnily enough, I work in energy so could talk at length about classification of the caspian sea or something but I get enough of that normally....

I reckon what we need to sort this out is a big night out and then after enough drinkys, we can agree to call it a "slake" and everyone will be happy

Catgirl and EmBOOsa thank you

Fuck me that was hard work but I think you may have both cracked it

seeker Wicca is a branch of Paganism. And I've no idea why you think Equalism has no relation to Feminism.

Best just to avoid such a silly comparison in the first place IMO!

Yeah but you seemed to be the only person on the thread who didn't quite 'get it'.

I'm not about to start typing for the minority.

They are not comparable but without the Feminism of the 1970s and 80s we would not have the equilibria we have now. Surely you can agree with that.

Mmm, it does appear that 'extremist' is generally associated with violence.

The term extremist is often used with reference to those who use or advocate violence against the will of society at large, but it is also used by some to describe those who advocate or use violence to enforce the will of the social body, such as a government or majority constituency. Those described as extremist would in general not accept that what they practice or advocate constitutes violence and would instead speak in terms of acts of "resistance"or militant action or the use of force. The word violence cannot be regarded as value-neutral. Ideology and methodology often become inextricably linked under the single term extremism.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism

Perhaps a bit of a minomer for the feminist movement then as it isn't a violent movement at all.

WorraLiberty - could you expand?

Do you mean that you weren't comparing feminists to terrorists at all then?

Why did you bring up terrorists?

Who is on here arguing that feminism hasn't made huge differences? We're just saying we don't want to use that label.

Also, as I said in my very first post calling myself an Equalist doesn't mean I think things are equal. To me (and everyone else I've spoken to who identifies as Equalist) being an Equalist means wanting and working towards equality for everyone, so encompasses Feminism/anti racism/anti disablism/anti sexism/etc.

And still no one has told us why they care so much that we don't label ourselves feminists? Especially in the cases where we are totally in support of equality and/or trying to make a difference in that area.

How on earth has such an obvious comment by Worra caused so much discussion?!

Yes of course I could expand but it's like pissing in the wind Turnips

If you can't understand what most other people here see as fairly clear, I genuinely can't help you.

I thought Catgirl and EmBOOsa had made a breakthrough but sadly it seems not.

Worra How is it like pissing in the wind?

There is no wind and no one is actually urinating therefore I refuse to understand you post and am going to get really hung up on the lack of actual urination and decide you have actually decreed all posts to be piss and take great offence at that.

And refuse to move on from that position

catgirl!!!

Clearly I'm saying all feminists throw piss bombs at people on windy days...

Why are you all being so civilised, I was looking forward to a Bundle

Sorry wrote that before you brought in the piss bombs. Are they like those little water balloons that you pee in?

theo Apparently Ocado bags are good for holding urine

That's exactly what you are saying.

You hate feminists and you think they all smell of piss

Shame on you for mentioning piss and feminism in the same thread. Clearly you are unable to distinguish between the two.

I am angry. Raaaah.

To a bundle of what theodorakis. A bundle of clothing? A bundle of bollocks and barnacles? You really must be more specific otherwise you're just going to be misunderstood....

That's ok WorraLiberty if you don't want to answer simple and straightforward questions.

I'll just assume that you mentioned feminists and terrorists as two examples of what you understand to be extremism and then we can just agree to differ on what extremism is.

(I think it is the organised use of force, threat, hate speech or violence for political purposes.)

You hate feminists and you think they all smell of piss

Finally someone understands me

That's a joke by the way...I don't hate all of them

Turnips feel free to assume whatever you like - whether it be true or a figment of you're somewhat 'alternative' imagination.

I mean why break that habit now you're this far into the thread....

A bundle is a group of objects bound together

Theo - are you saying women are objects that are bound?

How mysoginistic of you

We are not objects. We shall not be bound