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AIBU?

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to not feel as sympathetic towards this friend as I probably ought to?

59 replies

designerbaby · 12/10/2012 19:41

One of oldest (but probably not really 'best' any more) friends has just had her DS2.

Her DS1 was by emergency CS because of undiagnosed breach presentation, about 9 months after my DD1 (51 hours of labour and forceps 'carnage'). She was very upset at the time, and I was sympathetic.

Even when she said how "unfair" it was that I hadn't had a CS even though she was "clearly better at labour" that I was, and how I "couldn't hack the pain" and she could. (I was in the midst of PND at the time so this wasn't very helpful.) She was also disappointed because she had wanted a girl, and a bit pissed off that I had a daughter and she a son.

Then she was pissed off because I had a second DD two years later, and it took her about 6 months longer than she wanted to get pg a second time...

This time, she's been going on and on about how she really wanted a VBAC and really wanted a girl, and that the worst thing ever would be to have "another bloody boy and another bloddy CS". I can understand not wanting another CS, not so much the boy/girl thing.

She went four days overdue and was on the phone every day really angry that things weren't going according to her plan. She did go into labour naturally, but after 12 hours or so of painful labour and an epidural, things stopped progressing and she ended up with the section she was so desperate to avoid.

Naturally it was also another boy.

I spoke to her about 24 hours later, all she could do was complain about having another "bloody boy" and that she could have coped if she's had a boy naturally or a girl by CS but to have both the things she "didn't want" is so awful. etc. And that her labour was the worst ever, that she she knows she's not like me with a "really low pain theshold" because she's done it before, and that it actually WAS really painful. (WTAF?)

I'm a bit gobsmacked by the stuff that's coming out of her mouth, TBH, and don't know how to react.

i know she's disappointed. But she has a healthy, beautiful baby boy, FFS and she hasn't mentioned him once, which is the saddest thing.

I'm both concerned for her mental state but also think she's behaving like a collossal brat, frankly.

And that the constant putting me down isn't really acceptable. I know I had two DDs 'naturally', but it's not like I've sailed through the whole thing... Extended third degree tears, PTSD, PND, haemmorages ? not really stuff worthy of her envy/spite.

This is also to the backdrop of close friends of both of us, who just lost one of their prem twins at 9 weeks old, (delivered at 30 weeks) barely 3 years after they lost their DS1 (born at 26 weeks) at 5 weeks old. They'd gve their eye teeth to have tow healthy, full term baby boys.

I want to feel sympathy for her ? the friend with the two DSs ? but finding it very hard...

AIBU?

How would you handle it?

db
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ATourchOfInsanity · 13/10/2012 23:48

Hold up - her 2nd child is 4 days old?
If so then please just wait until she has had a chance to actually sort her head out? I don't think it would be fair to say anything even slightly stand offish to her at the moment. Who wants those first few weeks tainted by a friendship going sour? Yes it may all be her fault, but still...
Good luck OP, hope you get the result you need.

HoleyGhost · 14/10/2012 00:26

I had a 'friend' like that. I regret not calling her on the things she said, but I distanced myself and she eventually deleted me from facebook. I've not heard from her since.

I think that you should read up on assertiveness to help you handle this. You should call her on the things she says about her sons and about any digs at you.

designerbaby · 14/10/2012 16:09

ATourch, yes, I know it's totally not the time.

The thread was started because although I knew I ought to be sympathetic after her disappointment at a second CS, I found the things she said about her second DS so chilling, and her attitude so petulant and the things she said to me about about my supposed 'low pain threshold' (as opposed to her need for an epidural which was apparently because her labour WAS actually painful), so totally out of order, I was finding it really hard to be the supportive friend she probably needs.

I probably ought to be going over there tomorrow, but to be honest I can't face it...
For my own sanity I'll probably leave it a week or so. She has local friends too. I think she'd like me to come over (and bring food) but tbh I'm feeling pissed off, so it's probably best for all concerned that I leave it until either a) I'm in a better frame if mind or b) it's a more appropriate time to call her on any outrageous comments she makes either about her DSs or me...

db
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SirBoobAlot · 14/10/2012 20:50

Agree with you it would be worth waiting. Because if anyone those things to me / acted like that to their children, I'd find it very difficult to hold my tongue.

You sound like a brilliant friend; even though you're so annoyed at her, you're still being considerate.

dondon33 · 14/10/2012 21:10

YANBU - She is!
I'd have casually said to her before now "did you mean that to sound so bitchy?"
but I'm quite blunt.
You sound lovely OP and I agree with some of the others (more sensible) who said maybe wait until she is feeling more herself, after the birth, before speaking to her about anything.
If you call her/see her in the mean time keep it brief.

BlueSkySinking · 14/10/2012 23:01

Her hormones and emotions will be all over the place having gone over her due date and then having given birth recently. She is probably a good candidate for PNT. The put downs aimed at you are to make her feel better, don't take them personally as they are more about her own state of mind. She is entitled to be unhappy about the birth or sex - yes there will always be someone who has had a harder time (like your other friend) but that doesn't mean she can't feel hard done by. Hopefully she will gain a bond with the new boy - maybe you can encourage this. If you are a good friend, then put your arms around her and support her. She sounds like she needs it. Acknowledge what she is saying 'yes, it must be frustration to have a c-section' or 'yes, i know you really hoped for a girl'.

If you don't really care for her, then do walk away though.

BlueSkySinking · 14/10/2012 23:05

You could always challenge her 'I really care for you but I'm worried about how you are at the moment. You seem so unhappy with things and if you are slipping into PND you should really chat to your HV/MW. I'm happy to help where I can of course'

designerbaby · 15/10/2012 00:37

I get that Blue...

But this latest tirade (or four) just the latest in a four year long episode of this kind of thing...

I'm prepared to believe it could be PND following the birth of her DS1... But it seems to have been going on a long time in that case, without especially worsening or reaching any kind of crisis...

But that's probably just that really my only point of reference for this is my own PND, which took a rather different course.

Definitely can't put the last four years of this down to 'hormones' though...

Urgh.
Dunno.

db
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HermioneHatesHoovering · 15/10/2012 05:41

Untreated PND will go on for ever if not treated in my experience.

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