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To be not entirely keen to look after my Grandma

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StWinifred · 12/10/2012 02:19

My Grandma is 100 years old and rather debilitated, although fully compos mentis.

She was being looked after her by her son, who had lived with her for decades. He had a heart attack in the 1980s and I think the strain of looking after his Mum did for him, and he suffered a fatal heart attack in July.

Since then my parents has been looking after her, in her home, which is a largely original 1930s house.

She went to stay with my parents in their own home (an hour or so away) for a few days a month or so ago. She found this a bit disorienting but they were grateful to get home; this was curtailed when she had to go back home for medical appointment.

A few weeks ago my parents wanted to go away so they asked if I could help, I said she can stay here (in our hours for a week), but there's no way I can go there because of various prearranged commitments locally, school, etc. They didn't think this was a good idea.

My sister proposes early on that she should stay in her home as she has been in the area since birth. My sister has been with her partner (she doesn't believe in marriage I think) for a decade and has no children (doesn't believe in this either). Her idea was that we (my parents, my sister, and I), should look after her a couple of days per week each.

Due to work/childcare I can only do this over the weekend. Last weekend I headed there at 6pm (takes about 1hr 45 to get there) on Saturday and got back home at 5:30pm on Monday to pick up the kids from school. My sister was there from 6pm Monday till 8am Wednesday, working from home Tuesday, and I think planning to on Wednesday also in future, though she had a meeting on Wednesday so left early - in future she might be there until afternoon/evening though.

My father said he thinks I shouldn't go every week on Saturday as it would be disruptive to our family. I haven't made any commitments.

Anyway he called on Tuesday to ask what time I was coming on Sunday, and I said I didn't know I will let you know at the end of the week. He called me today at 11:30pm to ask the same, sorry I don't know, does it make any difference? Well we were thinking of going away for a couple of days, he said. Oh really?

He then sent me a rather nagging email saying they would appreciate a routine, and also could you come round and stay with the kids during half term to balance your sister's 'input'? (My DH has work to go to, locally, so it would be me + kids.)

I replied saying sorry I can't give you a routine after only one visit there, it ain't routine yet, and I'm not about to promise to match my sister, what she does is what she can do, and she's got her circumstances and she mine, and actually I didn't really feel the house was suitable for kids when I was there.

Grandma can't make it up the stairs, so she sleeps in the living room, and there's no toilet down stairs, so there's a commode there. She's got severe incontinence so lots of pads to dispose of, plus the commode to empty. She tends to fall over and she can't be left alone at home for more than about 2 hours. She needs her breakfast, lunch, dinner prepared, plus tea, drinks, etc.

They've been in this house for nearly 3 months now and they have no bed, just two very old 'small single' mattresses on the floor. Apparently they ordered a bed from Homebase but it takes 3 weeks or something? Anyway, I thought this was ridiculous, so when I was there on Saturday I went to a local shop and they said they could deliver a bed on Wednesday. Passed this information on to my father and apparently he couldn't get through to them on the phone, so er, still no bed for me to sleep on this weekend.

There's another empty bedroom for the kids (but no bed) but the window frame is rotten and there's a hole in the window.

My DH doesn't like this arrangement at all, and thinks Grandma should go live with my parents, and that it's their responsibility to look after their mother.

My father OTOH seems to think that its our collective responsibility (the four of us being her only direct descendants), and on that basis I should tell him what I'm doing and when, and not only that but try and 'make up' days that I haven't done (when compared with my sister) because childcare in the week is not practical.

I have told him several times that my DH is not really happy about the situation/disruption to family life (e.g., last Monday and foreseeably all future Mondays was disrupted because I had to get up at 7am to give Grandma her breakfast, after she was up till 00:45 watching TV the night before, and then I had to cycle 12 miles to get to the station to get home, and was way too knackered to cook a meal for the family, or to work with my DS on his 11+ preparation), but rather than taking the attitude that 'you are helping out, thank you very much', it seems to be more a case of 'why aren't you doing more'.

I am not really sure if IABU to be resentful of this attitude.

My parents have never told me what they are doing in advance, they will just do it on the day, and I have followed their lead, so if they want to know for instance what we are doing in half-term, I will tell them the day before, because that's when I will know myself. If they want to go away or something, then give me the dates and I will try and help, but it seems like they just want to go and do some gardening at home, ok well you don't need two weeks notice for that do you, and actually perhaps you can get a bloody bed in before I come round again.

OP posts:
expatinscotland · 01/12/2012 18:21

Horsemad if you read the entire thread it would appear that the reason is that her parents want her money.

She does not have access to it.

All you can do is go to SW and her GP again, OP.

But it appears your tight parents control the purse strings.

And you continue to enable this by trotting over there every weekend at the expense of your own family and son with SN.

WelshMaenad · 01/12/2012 18:35

Is there a REASON this isn't being dealt with by SS as a POVA case? It's financial abuse and the OP is complicit.

There is no way the SS team have seen the true story and opted not to intervene. No fucking way. The parents have either covered things up in a frankly devious fashion, or the OP is not disclosing the truth. No way would a woman be left in a semi derelict house with no washing facilities, pooing into a bag. Where's occupational therapy? Load of bollocks.

expatinscotland · 01/12/2012 18:40

She is not the grandmother's next of kin, Welsh, her mother is. She lives an hour away. She has a son with SN.

If she reports to SS about the grand and can't make it through because, well, she also works on top of having a family, and her mother does, then how is it all her responsibility?

How is she complicit?

She has a job and a family, including a child with SN and lives an hour away!

ssd · 01/12/2012 18:41

I feel even more sorry for the granny now, having no one to take proper care of her and having tight kids who are only interested in her money

sheesh

expatinscotland · 01/12/2012 18:46

But why kick the OP about it? She's not the next of kin, she has no access to the gran's money, she has a job, a young family, a child with SN and lives an hour away.

WelshMaenad · 01/12/2012 18:48

Because if a vulnerable adult's money is not being correctly spent on her comfort and well being by those in control of it, and someone us aware if this and does not take action to protect the vulnerable adult, they are complicit in the financial abuse.

Someone needs to stop pussyfooting around, step up and say "actually this is shit and this woman is not protected or cared for" and harass SS until they come and see the situation for themselves.

Horsemad · 01/12/2012 18:49

Clearly Welsh considers the OP is complicit by the fact she has not got SS involved.

I agree, how can she let this continue?

Horsemad · 01/12/2012 18:52

OP if you PM me details, I'd be happy to make that call for you.

expatinscotland · 01/12/2012 18:54

'I agree, how can she let this continue?'

Um, because she has other very pressing things on her mind, like earning a living, a husband and two children one of whom is SN and she lives an hour away.

She can harrass them from now until the world ends, but she's not there night and day and can't be to see it through.

WelshMaenad · 01/12/2012 18:55

As would I.

Or you can google '[name of gran's council] POVA' and follow the simple directions to report concerns. It can be fine anonymously. She is being neglected and financially abused. They will investigate, and I assure you they will not conclude that the situation is 'managed'.

WelshMaenad · 01/12/2012 18:57

Expat, those are shitty flimsy excuses. It's a couple if phone calls. And even if it does end up requiring a bit of effort, it's her gran, FFS.
You can't say "oh, I've got a job so I'm going to sit back and ignore neglect"!

ssd · 01/12/2012 19:26

expat, I looked after my 85 yr mum whilst having a job and young kids, if an elderly person needs the help and care than thats it, the op is obviously worried about this or wouldnt have started the thread...mind you she's not rushing back is she

expatinscotland · 01/12/2012 19:30

Ever looked after a child with autism before you say it's a flimsy excuse?

She can ring and ring, if they go over and she can get there, because of her job or her kids, then she's some type of lowlife?

She's over an hour away, too.

She's spending plenty of time as she can with her, it's causing problems in her marriage, even.

She's not the next of kin, her mother is.

ssd · 01/12/2012 19:35

but her mother is shite and is doing nothing to help

no one is saying the op isnt run ragged, but she needs to now start making phone calls to get social services involved, her gran is being neglected and they need to know

Corygal · 01/12/2012 19:50

Bonkers as it is, you can't grass anyone up for financial abuse of the vulnerable without evidence ie bank statements. Of course bank statements and lists of assets, etc., are the one thing you won't get from someone who is letting their DM sit in pee to make themselves money. Even if you do produce evidence, an inquiry takes 2 years.

So the OP is up a gumtree. The only thing I can suggest is ringing SS and focusing on the neglect, etc., etc., which should kick something off.

To be honest, if your gran can't get up when she falls over, she needs to be in a care home (800) or have 24hr care (1000) a week.

I'm not surprised your parents are trying to avoid these sorts of bills as if her health is as robust as you suggest, you're looking at 250 000-500 000 pounds for five years.

But that's what she needs. Have you tried raising the subject of inheritance with your parents? If it's a non-starter all our darkest suspicions may be correct, but you may wish to delicately counter them by mentioning what will happen to them if they get done for neglect.

Mintyy · 01/12/2012 20:41

Why is the next of kin thing relevant? I don't understand.

expatinscotland · 01/12/2012 21:03

Because she can't override anything.

Mintyy · 01/12/2012 21:12

But override what though? The next of kin's lack of care?

Horsemad · 01/12/2012 21:25

She has a moral duty to inform SS & get them involved.

plutocrap · 01/12/2012 21:33

I was thinking of you and your DGM this week when I posted this on another thread:

Here is the Age UK guide to keeping warm in winter, which might be worth going through for some tips. It's very sad reading, though, I must say. There is a particularly horrifying moment when it tells its readers to be careful with electric blankets if they have continence difficulties. Sad

www.ageuk.org.uk/Documents/EN-GB/Information-guides/AgeUKIG27_Winter_wrapped_up_inf.pdf?dtrk=true

lovebunny · 01/12/2012 21:46

i've done some looking after of my mum this year and it had me at screaming point within days. this poor woman, stwinifred is running herself ragged.
stwinifred, tell ss, tell your parents, get out of the situations. don't ask. tell.

Mosman · 02/12/2012 05:03

Is there not a certain amount of the grandmas money which is protected from nursing home fees, the first £250,000 or something like that.
I'm 99% sure that every last penny she has won't go on nursing home fees but you'd only know by phoning age concern.

ditziness · 02/12/2012 08:27

Poor grandma. When my grandma was 100 she came to live with us, I was 12 and I gave her my bedroom as it was the downstairs one. She lived till she was 104. It was hard for my mum caring for her. But it was good that she was with us. My me so sad to think of her being left in her house, pooing and wearing without a toilet, feeling like a burden for everyone rather than the cherished heart if a family. Awful. Please stop this awful situation. She's 100, she needs support, give your grandma some support and dignity at the end of her life. Good god, this is awful

Nanny0gg · 02/12/2012 10:41

OP - just show your parents this thread...

ssd · 02/12/2012 10:52

I think the op is ashamed at how her granny is being left to live and she wont come back to this thread now

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