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Il manors - plan b film.

56 replies

DeliaRose · 11/10/2012 21:10

Should've probably read the description before, but got 1/2 an hour in and have switched off. I'm in tears. Can't shake it off. Has anyone else seen this film?!

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wordfactory · 12/10/2012 07:51

I really enjoyed it. The mix of film and music (which was central to plot not soundtrack) worked well. Sure its not 'realistic' for most people but thatks not what works of fiction are about.

Chandon · 12/10/2012 07:51

I am still recovering from the dead baby scene in train Spotting

...about 20 years later

I respect plan B but would not watch his films, as I know I can't erase the images from my mind.

Latara · 12/10/2012 09:45

I like Plan B & his music; but don't think this film will cheer me up.

I can just walk a mile up the road to see that kind of stuff go on; i'm sure a lot of MNers live near areas where drugs, prostitution, gangs etc. are rife; so i would rather see something NOT about that kind of lifestyle.

I may have to stop work soon due to ill health; but i'm not planning to join the nearest brothel or deal drugs! Honest!

Lock, Stock & Snatch were funny but i find RL films like Ill Manors too depressing & close to home really.

RubyFakeNails · 12/10/2012 10:04

Yes, I can see that OP, I mean its all not very pleasant.

I suppose I just think of it in my head as well thats the reality. When a child is abused, when someone is a prostitute or and addict or both, when there is gang violence or children recruited to gangs, when there is violent crime its not at all 'nice' or enjoyable to watch, at times its much worse than shown on the film and it may depend on your experiences as to how comfortable you are with its portrayal.

Just to be clear, as tone is quite hard to gauge over the internet, I'm not saying this in a FFS what did you expect way, or trying to patronise you, I'm more speculating on your reaction. I don't think yabu as while I didn't find Ill Manors upsetting, I was absolutely distraught at bloody Marley and Me so I definitely do not judge.

I do think as I said before, it represents elements of reality but the part where it fails is to show how low the percentage of people really involved, it sort of ignored the outside world around the characters. The murder of a 14 year old girl generally is heavily investigated, its rare for there to be such little involvement from SS and some of these facts were glossed over. But it did represent the struggles some face and I think the early story about the boy who had his face cut showed perfectly how one thing leads to another and the struggles lots of children face.

BettySwollocksandaCrustyRack · 12/10/2012 11:34

I love his music....Defamation of Strickland Banks is one of my all time favourites.

However, I hated the film Harry Brown, it was so depressing and just made me feel shit so I think I will steer away from this one too.

I know some people live like that but I dont and really dont want to watch people who do!

Spice17 · 12/10/2012 11:47

Haven't seen that one and am usually OK with those 'gritty' gang type films - though I dousually feel flat and depressed afterwards so don't know why I would do it

However, I flicked over the TV one night and Hostel 2 was on, have never felt so sick and disgusted in my life, what's wrong with these film directors!

Mind you, I usually feel just as sick, disgusted (and depressed) watching debates on TV, so I'm weird!

wordfactory · 12/10/2012 11:53

Betty I think the scene in Harry Brown where he buys the gun from the dealers is one of the most disturbing scenes I've ever seen. I htink it was the background music -really loud Grime stuff - that tipped.

It was so intense...

GoldenHandshake · 12/10/2012 12:43

I think the film is excellent, as hard hitting and graphic as it is, it is a very accurate account of how life is for a suprising number of people. I grew up in an inner London brough and have witnessed or heard of very similar occurences through school friends or people I knew in the area.

I'm glad it's been brought to light in this film, and hope it highlights just how desperate and awful the lives of some people are.

DeliaRose · 12/10/2012 13:16

So it is accurate? Perhaps why I found it so uncomfortable to watch. Like staring at a car wreck....

I helped my husband through recovery, so it's closer to home for me than it is others. I'm not completely wrapped in cotton wool Grin

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DeliaRose · 12/10/2012 13:19

The bit where the girl gets forced into prostituting herself by that bloke and it touched on her being abused as a baby was when it was enough for me

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RubyFakeNails · 12/10/2012 13:31

Yes I do think that those parts are quite raw but I sort of see it as we'll how do most women get involved in prostitution, it's probably under even more horrific circumstances. Despite what secret diary of a call girl says. And I'm pretty sure that a large percentage of sex workers experienced abuse as children.

I do think its relatively accurate because I'm certainly aware and familiar with a lot of those issues growing up and living where i do, but I think the important thing to remember is that some elements weren't included and that that level is for the minority.

Once again am not attacking you as some naive cotton wool wrapped princess, am just quite interested by your take on it. I asked DS (16), who has it on DVD and he didn't find it all shocking, so maybe where we live does influence our response.

DeliaRose · 12/10/2012 13:36

It gave me the same feeling as the rape scene in This Is England. I still can't shake that scene. I've seen Harry Brown, RocknRolla, Trainspotting, and none of those gave me that feeling. I dunno, maybe I'll try it again, possible it just caught me out as I hadn't really read the description.

It's Sad that your son didn't find it shocking. What is wrong with the world?!

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AmberLeaf · 12/10/2012 13:41

Yeah I would say it is an accurate portrayal of that kind of lifestyle.

I don't think it was over egged, but obviously it was put together in such a way as to fit the storyline.

RubyFakeNails · 12/10/2012 13:50

Yes I suppose I could find it worrying he isn't phased by it, but the reality is he is an inner city child. He'd probably be quite horrified if he went to say a farm and saw the slaughter of an animal. It's swings ad roundabouts. Plus realistically he ends to be aware of the rougher side of the world in order to protect himself.

There is quite a gang issue in our local area and i have spent a lot of time making him aware that an older, as they're known, is not buying you clothes just to be your friend. It could be seen as horrific that he has to deal with that but then I think most mothers have similar conversations with daughters about gifts from older men and grooming.

AmberLeaf · 12/10/2012 13:52

I would say though that my main concern about films like this, is that it will give some people who don't know London the impression that everyone that lives in areas like that is like that, or involved in some way in that sort of lifestyle, that is definitely not the case.

Im from south east London and I do know people like that, but they aren't the majority and there are also different levels of involvement in that sort of thing.

Also not everyone involved in drug dealing is like that, not all will be involved with prostitution or violence to that degree and there is a hierarchy with the ones at the top being the most ruthless. But if they showed that it would make a boring film, so I think that's why they have shown it like that.

RobinSparkles · 12/10/2012 13:52

I watched it last night with DH but missed the first half an hour.

AmberLeaf · 12/10/2012 13:54

Also not everyone involved in drug dealing is like that

To clarify, i'm not condoning lower level involvement, im just saying its not all how the film portrayed.

RubyFakeNails · 12/10/2012 13:59

I completely agree with you Amber, that's a much more articulate way of expressing my points about minority and majority.

I've certainly dabbled in some aspects of that world, through ex boyfriends that were in gangs or did some dealing but, there is no way they were pimping out girls or engaging in that level of violence. Dhs brother is still loosely involved in that world and I think that for most it's a youth thing they either choose to or are forced out of. The ones who are left are a rare breed.

PosieParker · 12/10/2012 14:03

Me & 'gritty' have parted company since having babies, I can't even watch "Good Cop' on BBC.

AmberLeaf · 12/10/2012 14:10

Thanks Ruby.

Yes, I have known/know people involved because some have been people that I've grown up with and gone to school with, knowing their backgrounds means that while I know that way of living is wrong and shocking to people who just don't live like that, I can understand how they get into it.

A boy I knew was kicked out of home by his Mum at 14 because her boyfriend didn't want him around, so I can see how he got into it. But he wasn't violent or involved in the sex trade.

Ive also known several young men who have been killed due to their involvement and some who have been jailed too.

Also though, the high earning professionals who would consider themselves 'above' that life, are some of the best customers.

porcamiseria · 12/10/2012 14:29

it it worse than kidulthood???

funny anecdote, I watched this the night of the London riots. I texted my mate to say "just watched this brutal London film" she was like err, TURN ON THE FUCKING NEWS!!!

tell me tell me

porcamiseria · 12/10/2012 14:30

has anyone ever seen London to Brighton

that was harrowing

dietstartsmonday · 12/10/2012 14:42

rubyfakenails you mentioned a film 1234, have looked but can't find it, can you tell me any more about it please!

DeliaRose · 12/10/2012 15:05

Sorry Ruby- I hope you didn't take that comment the wrong way, I meant its sad that this is around so many young people that a violent gritty film becomes just normal, IYSWIM... It's was a general comment, sorry!

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AmberLeaf · 12/10/2012 15:11

porcamiseria re London to Brighton;

Yes I saw that, very grim.

That made me feel empty.