To be furious that Osborne wants to remove the right to request flexible working?

[PreciousPuddleduck]

I am so so angry about this. Have these b*stards any idea how hard it is to be a working mum, the exorbitant cost of childcare etc, constant rise in cost of living coupled with drop in income and lack of job security.
It has put me off my lunch
Will probably need later

Yes Novack, it is.

And thats better than a lot of people have.

From your link Novack - paragraph 6:

'During a visit to the John Radcliffe hospital in Oxford, Mr Cameron said he "personally" favoured a "modest reduction" from the current limit of 24 weeks, "because I think there are some medical arguments for that".'

Sorry i have hijacked the thread.

ANd he said there are no plans to reduce it. Tony Blair was anti abrotion through and through but he never introduced legislation either. I'm flabbergasted you believe the liar, war monger Blair over Cameron.

Novack, are you reading what you are typing? The problem is that I DO believe what Cameron said, i.e. he (the Prime Minister of a majority UK government) personally believes the abortion time time limit should be cut. I also believed Tony Blair when he said 'Obviously there is a time beyond which you can't have an abortion, and we have no plans to change that' and which he was far too fly to go on to qualify by bandying specific numbers of weeks about to a journalist.

He said "there are no plans to cut it"

The blind hatred for the tories by the minority on here is lame.

The correct spelling is majority.

Apparently last year 10600 people cured by Atos died not long after being found fit for work. IDS could be quoted as saying "well, it's a start". But then he's a despicable twat. Or tory. Take your pick.

So, the Tories are coming up with their usual woman bashing policies.

Ignore Novak - he's a Tory plant.

What do we DO about it? Individual action changes lives. Do we join labour? Even tho Ed is rubbish? Do we support 38 degrees?

What can we do to oppose this women hating, poor hating polices?

The Tory cabinet mainly went to Eton. They are mostly men. Of course they don't care about us.

Do how do we counter act their toxic policies?

johnnyvoid.wordpress.com/2012/10/09/george-osbornes-benefit-bullshitting-hides-his-true-agenda/

The lie that people are better off on benefits than in work exposed.

Hmm it is Labour female voters how are more likely to vote for a reduction in the abortion time limit.

ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/6253

novack I am female and vote labour and yes I think the abortion limit needs lowering however 12 weeks is very low. What about severe abnormality picked up on 20 week scans? or something that puts the woman and babys life at risk?
I am not anti abortion or pro life btw.
This government do seem very anti women though! Not like good old Tony Blair who brought lots of females into politics during his time as mp.

It was only Hunt and some of the loony Christians who thinks 12 weeks is sensible.

NOBODY in the government has put forward a paper to lower the abortion limit in any serious way.

Berlusconni, Blairs mate brought tons of woman into politics too. They are just showmen.

Personally I don't care about the sex or colour of the politician i care about the policies.

The fascist bastards are so bloody out of touch thay don't know what its like have to work when you've got kids.

I had to explain to DS what a fascist was today while I was watching the news and screeching talking at the TV.
He said 'I already know what a bastard is thanks' (!!!)

There wasn't any welfare state in the UK either when we were fighting fascism across europe so comparing the tories to racist, genocidal biggots is a long stretch of the imagination.

Of course you could turn a blind eye to the actual real poverty inflicted on millions and starving to death through economic sanctions hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children under Tony Blair and Labour policies.

I am a bit confused by this.

People don't have a right to work flexibly. They have a right to put forward a case to work flexibly without being sacked. Companies can refuse to let employees work flexibly. Do the Conservatives honestly think this right should be removed or has a mistake been made/they have been misreported?

They are being mis-reported and spun in a bad light on here as people want to deflect from Elitist Ed's jingoistic one nation comedy speech last week.

Novack, you are simply wrong m'dear. We had the old age pension act 1908,
Free school meals act 1909,The National Insurance Act 1911 which set up the first national insurance for health and unemployment payments.

First rule of fight club is know wtf your talking about! As for starving people in Iraq, I presume your point is that if Blaire did it to them we can do it to our own people. That sounds like a civilised attitude....not.

So they haven't yet decided which rights should be traded for shares then?

Yes they have, the rights that give you protection under equality and employment law.

Will it be worth women working anyway if they earn less than min wage and work less than 35 hours a week. They will get no benefit at all.

I know what a fascist is, thank you very much.

Look I think this plan is totally pants but it doesnt mean scrapping of the minimum wage or the Equal Pay Act.

Employees would give up their rights to:
Unfair dismissal
Redundancy
Request flexible working
Time off for training
Stricter maternity rights - giving 16 weeks' notice of early return, not 8.

There is no right flexible working.

The possible removal in some companies (btw: anyone assessed how many want to do this, and do you have to be a plc?) to whether you can request flexible working isn't that important. It was a "smoke and mirrors" measure in the first place, as there was never any obligation on an employer to grant it and very little policing to ensure requests were being taken seriously.

No it's not the scrapping of the minimum wage or EPA but it is an erosion of the rights that have been hard won to allow many women to remain in the workplace.

I don't think many employers will take any of these stupid ideas up (those that are small enough not to have to be competing for the best graduate recruits won't have £2k of shares to give away per head) but I'm appalled that Osborne can put them forward as a serious suggestion in the first place.

I think everyone should have the right to request flexible working. Not just mothers or parents but everyone. If everyone could and DID request flexible working then there would be slightly less of a feeling of I don't want to employ that woman because she might go off and have children and then not be around as much

Lots of companies seem to be stuck in the dark ages and think that you have to actually be there at the same time as everyone else to get anything done.