To be furious that Osborne wants to remove the right to request flexible working?

[PreciousPuddleduck]

I am so so angry about this. Have these b*stards any idea how hard it is to be a working mum, the exorbitant cost of childcare etc, constant rise in cost of living coupled with drop in income and lack of job security.
It has put me off my lunch
Will probably need later

Yes, Novack but what Osborne is talking about isn't the John Lewis model...

As I understand it, companies which are set up after this is brought in, will be able to offer employment conditional upon the employee waiving their rights in exchange for shares. So basically "We won't give you the job unless you give up your employment rights for our shares."

I have words, but they would get this post deleted.

This isn't the cooperative model.

Also, please note the link I posted - THIS LAW WILL ENABE COMPNIES TO PAY NO TAX.

So no different than anyone who every went to work for a start up and took lower wages with the possibility of a larger pay out to come if they did a good job and created a viable enterprise.

Startups do not deprive employees of their rights, Novack.

The current right to request flexible working is shit anyway (not excusing him btw) companies can easily refuse on a number of grounds. My company is always refusing and from a legal standpoint they're fine (morally is a whole different issue )

YANBU

I've come to the conclusion that those who've never had to really work hard or struggle have not got a fucking clue.

They see everything in simpleton terms. Workers are just resources, the poor are poor because they're just shit. Forgetting of course that they were born with silver spoons shoved up their arses'in their mouths so they did fuck all themselves to earn that cushion aka trust fund.

Bastards.

But Novack, if you go to work for a start up, you may negotiate wages with the promise of bonus/shares whatever to come, but you are still protected by the law. You can't be discriminated against because of your sex, you have the right to maternity and paternity leave, you have all your rights and the start up has to treat you a certain way, according to the law. It's not the same at all.

And it's better for productivity to treat your staff well.

Oh and yanbu

Finally, what the fuck has this policy got to do with austerity? It won't create growth?!

Man alive.

Neither does this plan. It is a choice for the employee to take.

I'm surprised this is the issue you are making a tory bashing thing rather than giving praise for the decisions that 2 sexual offences will mean an automatic life sentence in the future under the tories. The blind hatred for the tories by the minority on here is lame.

I'm not sure what this up in arms is all about. A lot of people don't have flexible working now and didn't have flexible working under the last Labour goverment. I think this giving up rights in exchange for shares is total madness. Surely nobody in their right minds is going to do that.

DP was reading about our George last night.

His mother is a Lady. Real world? I think not.

I dont think any of the choices are particularly attractive for the next election. But Ed might just be tolerable.

Elitist Ed is a comedy character and will be ousted long before 2015 if Labour party members have any sense what so ever.

Novack and Vivienne, it isn't a choice for new employees - the company can make it a condition of employment (of course, if you have an alternative job offer, you may be lucky enough to still have a choice)

Not all companies will take this up

I am watching with interest to see how they will react as they seem to hate the idea of employee rights about as much as they hate the idea of giving employees shares

The other policies they are talking about eg two sexual offences or the burglar bashing, are things which may or may not affect people.

This nonsense about employment rights will affect everyone. As will cuts to benefits. You might think it doesnt if you have a nice well paid secure job now. But everyone is only a few steps away from job losses and dole queues.

It's just so ... distasteful. Right to equal pay? Sell it. Right to paid time off after having a child? Sell it. Nasty, nasty, nasty.

It is a choice you sign the contract and take the job or you don't. No different to what people have been doing for decades about taking ex pat jobs etc.

There are plenty of folks who would like to work a few hours extra in etc. but are barred from doing so by strict weekly hours limits who would be glad to sign away those rights for the opportunity to do a bit more now and them as needs must and get a reward of company shares and a voice in the company structure. This is not much different to the workers councils in many unionised workplaces across europe.

I think you'll find you're the minority here Novack.

I'd rather see my taxes spent on improving employee protections than on banging up offenders for showy life sentences. Oh, and your lot just introduced the right to shoot burglars! My, how the standard of UK living will rise!

Wilson TBF those aren't the proposals.

total BS Novack.

You can already sign out of the Working Time Directive, how the heck do you think lawyers and doctors stay in work.

They are only making it ok to shoot burglars because they are fearing for their mansions incase the dreadful poor people turn to crime.

It's not even a 'sale' though is it... it's an 'exchange' for something that may go up or down in value.

You're not a true participant in the company, and it gets to treat you like cr*p more easily.

I really can't see many people with a brain going for this. They only will if they have to, because they can't get another job. Oh....