To be furious more people to care about Badgers than keeping Children safe?

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Sick of my consistent moaning about how soft the law was on pedophiles I set up an online petition. I have 30+ friends on my fb (most parents) and was confident it would snowball and grow, however its like getting blood out a stone trying to get them to sign and share it. When I look on epetitions though a petition to save badgers is consistenly gaining signatures. I agree in animal rights, but not as a priority over children. Any advice as to boost the petition would be great xx

epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/39614

Er yes, I do want non-convicted people who suffer from paedophilia walking round (who haven't committed any crimes).

This is because I'm not a reactionary fuckwit who doesn't understand sexual dysfunction.

seeker often the other 2 options at my local waitrose are local charities which are linked somehow to religion which may be why people choose the 3rd animal one IYKWIM

The one I chose on my last visit was a group of christianity-linked charities that put on the local bonfire night event, I have no prob with their affiliations but it was typical of the the non animal charity choices and I can see why someone who is strongly athiest would support the animal charities in waitrose, its not an indication of what they would NORMALLY support

its because they're LOCAL charities, and most the local non animal ones here just are church related

I care about badgers and I care about children

I won't be signing your petition though as it sounds like something from FB.

Charity is quite subjective though Seeker

I only give to charities that cover issues that effect me in some way, and most people are the same, however most people are animal lovers/have an animal etc.

re. the Waitrose votes - I think a lot of people let their children vote, which is why they go for animals.

However, the last time someone asked this question I got access to the full John Lewis charity donations records and at that point, they were giving a lot of small amounts to animal charities, which I guess came from the in store voting, while other charities got more substantial amounts, which I suspect was not voted for (I remember quite a lot of donations to Women's Refuges, etc).

Our local ASDA have started doing the charity thing. Its normally scout/guide groups to choose from.

Dysfunction, yeah right-just sick.
And no i don't think they should be walking amongst us as they are discusting sickos.

But i shall be signing the badger petition as i also care about animals aswell as children.

A local charity I am a trustee of did the Waitrose one. We came second for that month and they donated £80 to us.

And no i don't think they should be walking amongst us as they are discusting sickos.

What if they are one of 97% who don't reoffend?

That statistic is interesting SadPanda - thanks for looking it up. Obviously any reoffending is depressing.

I'm interested in the OPs views on how children will be protected from people who have previously not offended by locking offenders up for life. Is it because a whole life tariff would be a deterrant?

Is the existing situation not enough of a deterrant then?

I thought it was interesting too Jins, although I admit I thought it would be a lot, lot higher.

SadPanda-'re-offend'!!! Once is bad enough, they have destroyed a childs/rens life/s why should they be set free?

What if they haven't offended at all and just suffer from paedophilia?

Like it or not people with plenty of serious mental health conditions are 'walking amongst us'.

Oh, is that why Waitrose look at me as if I've kicked a puppy when I refuse their little green waste-of-plastic things?

What a stupid idea.

Because our justice system is based on rehabilitation not vengence maybe?

Also just to point out this says that donations in Britain do actually prioritise children, and cancer over animals.

Regarding the Waitrose thing, I always give to the one with the lowest amount of tokens unless its Scouts/Guides that kind of thing.

I don't want to be mean, but your petition might as well be entitled "Stop nasty things".

It's like those awful posts people put on FB, begging you to LIKE a picture if you think cancer is horrid or aren't keen on bullying.

You need to put more work into it OP, I'm afraid.

There is also problems with the broad spectrum of sex offenders.

Say a 17yo boy sleeps with a 15yo girl. Should he be locked up for life?

The hysterical nature of the OP's petition will put people off.

Where ate the extra prison places for these offenders you want locked up for life? And life? Surely murderers should be made to do life as well then?

So, we need more prisons and more staff etc...... And more money to pay for all this. Where will that come from?

There are not enough prisons for the criminals we have now.
There is not enough money to build new prisons.
There is not enough money to staff the prisons we have now - hence compulsory redundancies.
There will not be enough money to recruit and train new staff.

The country as a whole would have to decide who we wanted locked up more. What do we decide? Murderers? OK, given. What about those convicted of manslaughter - after all someone is still dead? Who next?

Who do we 'let off' - thieves? Well where is the deterrent then?

Should we bring back the death penalty to free up some spaces? Who dies? What about miscarriages of justice? How do we get the dead people to come back to life then?

None of this can be solved by a petition, which is why it cannot work.

Whitecherry just going on the sex offenders figures. There are approx 29,000 on the register. It would cost approx £6bn to create enough prison space to house them. Then a further £40,000 per prisoner per year. Which works out at approximately ... does quick mental calculation ... lots and lots of money.

Our Waitrose usually runs three similar charities at a time, to avoid the effect of the animal charities hugely outstripping the kidney research or whatever.

pumpkinsweetie - you do know that there is a difference between a paedophile and a sex-offender, don't you?

Paedophilia is a mental condition which causes people to FEEL attracted to children. A child sex-offender is someone who actually commits a sex act of some sort against a child.

There will be a lot of people out there living terribly unhappy, but entirely blameless, lives because they have feelings which the majority of the population would find disgusting and which they know they can never, and must never, act upon.

Probably not the type of people we want to be hunting down with pitchforks.

LRD I always assumed Waitrose, being so lovely, reuse the green tokens each month.

Well, yes, but they still must make shedloads of them.

I dunno. It just irritates me a bit.