to be fed up of George sodding Osbourne and his Knobbish Ideas

[avivabeaver]

The economy is proving harder to fix than he first thought

Solution- suggest cutting £10bn from the benefits budget and "limit the number of children people can claim for". So- are you supposed to choose your 2 favourite and just feed them then? Or what?

[Fishwife1949]

Zen1 quite right the only people that should be able to make staments is the millionaire ed milliband hahahaha


Must be quite nice being a champain socialists

[CelineMcBean]

Because the reality is too awful to think about zen1. You'll notice none of these people who think it's a great idea have picked an option or suggested another solution to what to do with these children over quota.

Nor has anyone been able to explain how saving money on providing essentials to children will avoid incurring additional costs on social work and NHS teams. Because it will cause more problems and costs.

[Fishwife1949]

CelineMcBean i choose G dont friging have children you cant suport

There i have picked one

[Orwellian]

Why should people who work and don't claim benefits have to think very hard about having more children that they can afford but those on benefits be paid more for each extra child they have? In what crazy universe is this fair let alone a good economic policy? Maybe everyone in work should just go on benefits and have 34809483 kids and then the magical tree pixie in the sky can pay for all the benefits because nobody wants to work!?

[vj32]

Most young girls have a baby to fulfill an emotional need not to get a flat FFS. If they were clever enough to calculate the amount of benefits they would get, work out how to get a flat etc it would be much easier for them to get a job.

But they tend to be girls who aren't very clever, have always been told they are crap and incapable and think being a mother is the only thing they can do. Not because they actually think they will get an instant council flat. Which they won't anyway. They will be put into a shared house with other girls in their 'situation' until they can bid on a council flat, same as everyone else. And they will be treated like absolute shit and told by everyone from government down they are again a failure. Do you think lots of girls really WANT that life??

[zen1]

I think you'll find George Osbourne was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and Ed Milliband wasn't. (Not that I am New Labour supporter).

Yes Celine, I had noticed that everyone championing Osbourne's ideas has not put forward any suggestions as to how the "extra" children will be "managed". If the Tories really want to raise extra cash, how about they look to sorting out the tax affairs of the companies in this country?

[CelineMcBean]

Oh, ok then Fishwife because that's gonna happen...

Maybe you should have chosen the option of a magic wand? Or a money tree? About as likely to happen.

Also you'll note I prefaced my question carefully so your answer is even more ridiculous. These children will be born any way. What do you do then?

[Prarieflower]

Vj sorry don't agree with your last post at all,think you're being utterly naive to be frank.

[Fishwife1949]

Vj32 so it will kill to birds with one stone do we really want youg girls who in your words arnt very clever having children Any way


In the uk at this time some familes are in the 4th i repeat 4thgenration of worklessness

This has to stop

and these familes have to stop That fact ther children wont have shoes to blackmail the public in to giving more money out

[zen1]

Still, what with Hunt's comments a couple of days ago and now Osbourne, the Tory time machine will have us firmly entrenched in the 1870s before too long.

[Fishwife1949]

The only person who is taking money out of chikdrens mouths is there parents


If i have 10 children i cant feed are you really saying its osbournes fault "really"

[fuzzywigsmum]

fishwife you would love to have 7 kids? Really? Really really?

Alurka ^How is it fair that DH and I do shitty jobs and limit our family to support those who don't work and have loads of children? I don't get it.
^

Thing is, we're all taliking here as if the choice we make about how many kids we have is purely based on our finances. Sure, money will contribute to my decision not to have more than 2 children but also I'll do that because I don't want to interupt my career; because I think it's a drain on the environment; because I delayed having children to my mid-30s; because DP agrees with me and wouldn't bully me to have more; because I don't want my house FULL of noisy, demanding small-people etc etc.

And the reason I'm in the position to decide these things is because I myself was born into a middle class home, I'm well-educated, I'm healthy, I've never suffered abuse etc etc. So I'm much more able to make those choices.

Alurka maybe money is the main reason why you won't have more kids - that sucks - but thankfully for your children you're able to make that rational choice and ensure them a decent quality of life. Some children born into poorer households aren't that lucky.

The reason it's fair for some of our taxes to support larger families is that as a civilised society we have a moral obligation to ensure that no one lives in desparate poverty, especially the most vulnerable in society like children. The policies of this government (which they justify with these trite "Why should...?" arguments) will push children back into living conditions which whould have been consigned to the history books. It's a disgrace and it saddens me that "ordinary working people" are falling for these millionaires' bullshit. Coz believe me, they care as much about you and me as they do the supposed feckless poor.

[SomethingOnce]

Anyone else feeling overwhelmed by despair with all this? So many godawful, damaging ideas from the Tories

Oh yes, RatherBe, that's exactly how I'm feeling. Despairing and very sad.

[Fishwife1949]

Yes my oh is from a large irish family we would love to have at least 5 children



But unlike those who are getting everything taken care of by the giverment i cant afford it

[CelineMcBean]

Eugenics. Seriously? Seriously?!

[Fishwife1949]

Yes my oh is from a large irish family we would love to have at least 5 children



But unlike those who are getting everything taken care of by the giverment i cant afford it

[slug]

Is anybody else seeing the parallels with the one child policy in China?

Of course, thanks to Jeremy 'call me cunt' Hunt, any woman who does accidentally get pregnant and does not realise it in time, or can't access increasingly restricted NHS services will be forced to carry the child to term and then watch it starve. As always, the ones with money will be fine, the rest can take their punishment for daring to have sex.

It's funny how all these professed Christians (Hunt, Osbourne et al) seem not to have read the bit of the bible that says "Do unto others what you would have them do unto me"

[Dawndonna]

Yep. It's called Eugenics. Marie Stopes tried it here a while back.

[autumnlights12]

whatever happened to personal responsibility?
Oh yes, I forgot. Fuck that. Let's just blame George Osbourne for taking away the money we're entitled to.
Entitled.
That's the issue. Only a few (disabled and unable to work) are really entitled. The rest often just think they are.
They should thank fuck they live in the UK cos in other countries benefits are a safety net, not a life choice.

[Orwellian]

Easier to blame the baby eating Tories than understand simple economics. And surely most people think carefully before having lots of children and understand that there is a risk of not being continually employed for 20+ years?

[CelineMcBean]

I'm not sure how a child conceived about quota is able to take personal responsibility for providing for itself? I can see the consequences of not having a child provided for.

Maybe these babies should be getting jobs from birth? Pay their own way. Take responsibility. What possible career is there? Being an extra on Holby City (do they stil have the maternity ward??)? Draft excluder (at least until they start crawling)? Lap warmer for elderly pensioner? Celebrity accessory (swap the dog in a handbag for a pleb-baby)?

Then once they get a bit more mobile we could start sending them up chimneys, shining shoes and stitching mail bags.