to be fed up of George sodding Osbourne and his Knobbish Ideas

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The economy is proving harder to fix than he first thought

Solution- suggest cutting £10bn from the benefits budget and "limit the number of children people can claim for". So- are you supposed to choose your 2 favourite and just feed them then? Or what?

please will people realise that benefits for disabled people are not safe.
they have been labeled scroungers, hate crime has risen, cheers for that scam cam. Disabled people are the hardest hit as a lot have no voice.

No one's trying to silence you.

I mean the authorities. What did your apology say?

1. I find it odd that the authorities would do that. I have certainly never known it happen and having just checked have discovered that it is almost certainly not legal for them to do so.
2. I have not queried whether anyone is trying to silence me and don't for a minute thing that they are.
3. If you continue to bully me I shall report you.

FrothyOM

The thing is, I can't see how benefits are too generous. They have already capped the maximum a family can claim at 26k. 26k to support a large family isn't much at all. I don't see how they can reduce this further and not throw large families into absolute poverty.

My grandmother was one of fourteen children living in a 2-up, 2-down Victorian house in East Ham. Her father worked 2 jobs, and her mother raised the children and also worked.

To take home £26k a year, I would have to earn a salary of £35k. And some families get this for free? Well boo fricking hoo.

There always has been, and always will be, poor people who have children they can't afford. The choice is whether you allow the kids to suffer.

No, that isn't the choice. The choice is stark. Do you want to perpetuate a system which encourages people who can't afford children to have them, or not? Because all you are doing is focusing on today's children and wringing your hands and saying "Oh, it's so terrible, they must have more of Other People's Money." You're simply perpetuating the cycle of poverty. Their kids are going to do it, and so are their grandkids. By failing to act now you're condemning generations of children.

100% agree with flatpack

Are you trying to bully ME after you called me a racist and I demanded an apology? You called me a racist and after I ask for an apology YOU are trying to threaten me into shutting up about it. Now THAT's bullying.

The authorities have gone into her home. That's all I'm going to say. I dont' know the details.

In fact your threat has disgusted me. I now have a very low opinion of you indeed.

Nowhere near as low as some people have of you.

Take your aggression elsewhere. We offend you? Diddums. Our lives are being destroyed.

Glitterknicaz, would you like it if someone called you a racist? Or would you ask them to withdraw/apologise? What do we think here? Do think it's more aggressive to call someone a racist (untruthfully)and then threaten them when they want a withdrawal - or to want that withdrawal? It's pretty obvious to me, but then you don't agree with my political views so don't let objectivity get in the way of your judgement.

Report away, or however it works on here. I hope they delete your insult and delete your threat.

thousands of jobs were being taken by (harder-working?) incomers every year.
I was not the only one that picked you up on it.

I don't think you were directly called a racist either. It was more like 'those kinds of views are racist'.

I don't like it every time I'm called a scrounger, every time someone tries to shout me down and shut me up for telling the truth about what is happening to disability/carer benefits.

I don't ever get apologies though shrugs

Really? 'The authorities' now have the power to enter someone's house with a tape measure and see how big their television is?

Do give over.

flatpack my Dad was one of 16 kids (2 upmanship?) in a small council house.

His dad was an alkie, his Mum bedridden until her death- about 30 years I think: every few months he would be taken to see her to say goodbye as she would come perilously close to going then recover, it was a thyroid problem causing ehart issues, something treatable now.

There was no welfare state; so at 5 Dad (second youngest) would push a wheelbarrow of heavy shopping or coal for neighbours to get food money; he would poach (luckily SOmerset I guess), trained a dog to steal. All before he was 8.

He was expelled at 11, but passed his 11+ at his new school, Nan denied him the permission to go to Grammar as his siblings had not and she could not manage a uniform new like that. He was top of maths in comp but left at 14, did well actually in his life but remembers his childhood as one of hunger, fear (Grandad was violent) and desperation.

Am happy to pay taxes so that others never go through that.

now come on Glitterknickaz you know us poor scroungers are here to educate

Sleeping benefits cap not in yet; when it some sin she will be capped and that includes CB, she will lose her home I guess. But that's OK for teh country, I eman chidlren thrive raised in B&B's, they enver develop ehalth issues or malnutrition or fail to be able to do homework; they don't drop out, or spend their nights awake from the drunk next door.

And haha at don;t support education.

tell that to the Mum I was on contact with yesterday, who at 19 with a 4 year old will lose her MW place as she will lose out on housing under the changes.

Or Dh who combines working with studying for his degree. Or indeed me, Carer doing an MA part time.

Oh yes indeedy. Get us some aspirations please!

This time last year my disabled mum had £120 a week in her purse to pay her bills and feed and clothe herself. Now she has just £40. The squeeze on vulnerable disabled people is disgusting.

And yet people like to pretend it's not happening. Either by dismissing it or sticking their fingers in their ears going "lalala".

Distasteful isn't it? The "worthy poor" are losing the little money they survive on.

But it does suit the ideology so that's ok.

It's a shame to let a few facts get in the way of a spot of demonising, but let's give it a go.

3.6 million children live in poverty in the UK.
58% of them live in a household where at least one adult works.
That means choices like heating or eating.
One child in 7 doesn't have a hot meal each day.
That may not seem to bad for some of you, but that coupled with no heating and inadequate clothing can have a huge impact on physical health.

Before anyone charges in with 'that's not real poverty like in Africa/India', have a look at this figure:

Infant mortality is 10% higher for infants in the lower social group than average.

This is in the UK, the 7th richest country in the world.

It is estimated that 3.6 million will become 4 million very soon.

For those who will still harp on about it's not real poverty, are you really willing to let it get to the stage where children are homeless and live in slums before you are willing to help?

Reactionary policies always cost more than pro-active ones, because by then serious damage is done.

Sadly we have a fucking awful Govt....does anyone believe this is really a Coalition..honestly?

The Government's own figure for DLA fraud is 0.4%.

Yet they are cutting that budget by 20%.

There are an increasing number of people who have died after being declared 'fit for work.' Cases where people in comas have been declared fir for work because they didn't turn up to their assessments.

This ^, in a 'civilised society'!

If you watched the 999 TV programme last night on channel 4 - there were a few individuals on there that I would gladly have taken to the vet, they do not help the cause of those who do try to manage their budgets.

No I don't think it's a Coalition. It's a Conservative government. I voted Labour at the last election. But I wasn't happy with the way things were. So I would like to see some sort of reform to the benefits system which Labour wouldn't dare do. But even Labour have said themselves they will not reverse those decisions. In fact some people think labour are secretly pleased that it is the Tories that have had to make the cuts so now Labour can't be blamed for cuts even though the fiasco with the banks and the huge overspending was due to them. It's all very well to say no cuts, no cuts, no cuts but people are simply sick to death of working hard and being taxed. People earning £14,000 a year are taxed. So I think capping benefit at £26,000 is extremely generous.