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to be a bit pissed off at this arbonne rep?

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somedayma · 28/09/2012 23:00

a good friend of mine (I'll call her Laura) who lives in a different country asked me to meet up with a friend of hers (who lives in the same city as me) as she had a 'business proposition'. I was a bit Hmm but thought 'ah sure why not'.

We met in a coffee shop last week and she showed me a presentation on her laptop about Arbonne skincare (they also do baby products, protein shakes etc). She (and Laura) are Arbonne reps and she was trying to get me to sign up as a rep too. Laura would get some sort of commission from this.

I have to admit the presentation was very good and she made it seem very attractive- "well you already spend money on shampoo/cleanser/eye cream, why not spend with Arbonne and make some of that money back?" etc. And you can 'earn' a mercedes if you make a certain amount of sales Grin.

She cleverly gave me a skin care kit to take away and sample for 2 days (therefore ensuring I'd have to meet her again to return it) and yes, the products seem very nice but I spend a fiver on olay eye cream, I'm not in a position to spend 40 quid on it! But that's beside the point. Apart from having no time to spend on being a rep, I also don't really give enough of a shit

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somedayma · 10/05/2013 22:32

disco Laura did not get her flash car and has kind of given up on the whole thing and now works in a bakery. I'm not sure about the cheeky bitch rep. Presumably she is now a billionaire. While I plod on with my dull unsatisfactory life Wink

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Crazylady4 · 13/05/2013 01:20

Today me and my boyfriend went to meet his colleague who is a rep for arbonne. She was making out it was amazing and how you can actually eat the products. Being a vegan myself i was quite interested because its not tested on animals. And she went through the slide show and how amazing the company was and how you can get a white Mercedes from it and holidays ect ect. Then she went ahead and said people do say no to the product but are easily persuaded to join because they see how successful people are from it. Yes if you have the time to even do the launches and go to all the events and take time off work to speak to people about it all the time and she even told us she was losing out sleep from it all cos it's a 24/7 thing. You have to sort out the testers for it they don't give you any small pots for it you have to get them yourself and then you have to travel back and forth to collect everything and to hand it out. And then you need to have the money to even join and then to buy the products! And she showed us the cost she spent and I was just shocked! She had spent £1756 on product she then said she doesn't even need or even use! She said she got told she had to get the certain products to start off with. But what I don't understand is that when someone buys a product it goes from the company to the buyer. The rep doesn't even see the things that have been brought! So why on earth do you have to spend that much when you don't even use it!!! You also have to rely on your friends and family to buy the products at least monthly so you get a decent wage from it at the end of the month and people can't fork out on that much money when you can buy vegan products that are good for your skin from superdrug for about £5! This whole thing is a scam and I am glad that when she handed me the form to fill out i turned it down and she went well don't get jel when I'm driving a Mercedes and you're not! Totally brainwashing into thinking she can become some millionaire in the next few months! Ridiculous.

Midori1999 · 13/05/2013 09:15

I have a friend who started selling Arbonne a while ago and is always posting things and links on Facebook about it. I find the very hard sell extremely off putting and some of the links she has posted from Arbinbe themselves are hunting at other skin products causing cancer etc. I would never buy it for myself for those reasons and I certainly wouldn't want to sell it.

GingerBlondecat · 13/05/2013 14:20

Yes, Someday, what happened Grin ??

GingerBlondecat · 13/05/2013 14:22

Yeh, well, Laura probably earns more at the Bakery than she ever did, with that Pyramid scheme

fuzzpig · 13/05/2013 14:29

icant, a zombie thread is an old thread that somehow gets posted on again, meaning it goes back onto active convos and people post on it thinking it is new (so often giving replies that are no longer relevant as whatever it is happened ages ago)

that said, I'd love an update OP, did it take long for pushywoman to leave you alone in the end?

fuzzpig · 13/05/2013 14:30

oops didn't see the second page Blush thanks for update!

mum382013 · 13/05/2013 14:33

these companies make most of their money from the poor people who sign up I think

icantthinkofone104 · 15/05/2013 12:41

Thanks for the replies, interesting reading. Its tempting as I can see someone I know with high earnings from this, but really don't want to and cannot afford to pay £1500 ish to have products to hand out, even though this initial high spend apparently pushes you further up the ladder. I can't afford the monthly personal spend of, I was told around £60 a month either.
Just can't see that without hosting parties and doing the hard sell you can make money, but the reps seem to say you can.....
Holding off I think, until I see if a friend of mine who lives in another county who has just signed up starts to earn worthwhile money from it.

Pyramid123 · 01/03/2014 12:47

I have a friend (we can also call her Laura!) who has bought into the whole arbonne thing and I am getting extremely annoyed at the comments she's making which echo's the above suggesting that I'm being a fool for working a normal 9 - 5 job, that I'm missing out and apparently could become a millionaire if I worked for arbonne - as well as hardly working any hours!
She keeps saying "it's not pyramid selling", "it's the next big thing", "city workers do this too"? Really?
I wish her every success but I wish she would stop seeing me as a potential sale so I can go back to just being her mate!

mialou123 · 04/03/2014 09:48

This made me chuckle a bit, not at you but because I met an Arbonne rep in November and one of the first things she said to me was that if you become successful you get a white mercedes!!! The thing was that she has a very successful clinic and she was already driving a silver one!! I am having a party for her on Thursday as a friend offered to have one in my house (long story!) and I hope she doesn't try the hard sell on me because I already know I am not interested. I already sell jewellery and in that company there is no pressure and no targets, you do what you want when you want which suits me fine lol. I believe that if you are selling you must NOT slag off the oppostition, definitely not professional.

29tayside · 11/03/2014 22:15

Hi. Just thought it was worth mentioning that Arbonne isn't a pyramid scheme, it's network marketing which is entirely legitimate (Avon is network marketing). It's quite possible the person who will make the most money from this scheme hasn't even joined yet - there's no advantage to being first in, especially now as technology takes a bigger place in making contacts.

Your friends would do well to share the information and let you make your own decision - it won't be for everyone. I'm sure they will genuinely have the very best of intentions though. If they weren't excited about the opportunity they would have no chance of succeeding.

I am a Kleeneze distributor and love the freedom it offers (as well as my lovely customers and team members). All the best, Jean.

parakeet · 11/03/2014 22:39

If all these products - be it Kleeneze, Amway or Arbonne - are genuinely so superior then why do they need all you salespeople to persuade us to buy them? Other brands of cleaning products or toiletries manage to sell themselves in the shops or the internet on their own merit.

Mynewlife01 · 02/04/2014 17:56

Ended up on this thread by accident and was not going to comment but felt compelled to put a few facts right....

Arbonne is a network marketing company offering people an opportunity to run there own company by signing up as a consultant for £54

From there you decide what products you want to purchase for your business. Anyone know a successful business where you have not invested a penny and made money? Anyone made money without working? I haven't!!

The test run system is one and it has a proven record to work as its giving a person a chance to try the products. A good consultant who runs a good business would not be rude or put another persons choices down but then they would usually not do well in this business as you noticed.

Arbonne are high end products with quality comparable with creme la mere and la prairie. The choice to sell it only via consultants was made by the founder at the start to provide an opportunity for in particular mums who wanted to earn an income whilst caring for there family. This was back in 1970! Today a lot of companies are turning to this business module as it cuts out the middle man and reduces cost and risk. (no premises, no staff to pay and not millions in advertising costs etc)

A pyramid scheme is something very different and is in fact illegal. As a general thing I would advise anyone who is looking into this business to meet up with a few people who had done well and see for yourself if it's worth a try.

For me, a widow with an autistic son it was a godsend. I live the products and as my son is autistic I had already changed a lot of my products to ones without mineral oils and chemical fragrances etc as it can cause hyperactive behaviour in my son so it was a no brainer to get it from one place online.

We all do different things, whatever works for one person might not work for the next!! Bottom line, this is a good business for someone who treats it as a business ??

Onsera3 · 02/04/2014 18:53

But did you get a white Mercedes? I think that's what everyone wants to know.

Wizardsleeveoh · 03/04/2014 12:19

OP I think I know who Laura may be. She's my friend and does exactly what you described. She's been pushing me to join but I'm not interested. She needs people like us to sign up so she can then make money from it.

YANBU

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lolagonzalez · 13/09/2014 03:31

Hi everyone, I've just come across this thread and I felt very hurt about the way people feel they have the right to insult and laugh about other people who are trying to make a living. Whoever said that Laura (or whatever name she was) was rude haven't read themselves talk about a business which is totally legitimate and which has been around for over 35 years (if it was a scam or a pyramid scheme it would have disappeared by now and by the way, pyramids are not legal and not allowed in the UK). Arbonne is one of the top 20 companies in the American Direct Selling Association, together with Avon, Mary Kay and other very well known brands. Their products work and they feel lovely on your skin, and they are not expensive but in the same price range of popular brands like Clarins or Dermalogica.
Let me tell you my story - I used to work in the city (like so many other airhead Arbonne consultants) and decided to leave my job when my daughters were born. 7 years on I lacked confidence and was itching to do something but couldn't face going back to the City and commuting over 3 hours a day while my girls spent most of their lives looked after by another person. It just broke my heart. I really admire those women who manage to have a career and be mums, but I just couldn't do it. It doesn't make me a better or a worse person, it's just the way I am.
Anyway, a few months ago a friend of mine approached me with Arbonne products. She came to my house and showed me the catalog and the samples. She didn't one single time try to sell me the business. I tried the products and decided to get some. At the end of the day, she was my friend and it felt good giving her a commission instead of going to House of Fraser and giving it to someone I didn't know. I have to say I loved the products from day one. They were far better than any other products I had tried before (and I have used good skin care in the past, including Dermalogica, Clarins, Lancome and Clinique). A few weeks after purchasing the products, I agreed to host a party for my friend. She came along with a colleague and did a make up presentation. They did mention about the business, how much fun they had doing it, etc, but again, they didn't do any hard selling. I watched them working together, laughing and sharing experiences from their training sessions, the people they had met since doing Arbonne, etc... And I really felt I wanted to give it a go. I signed up the following week and started my training. Yes, I was showed the options of starters packs you could buy. But I NEVER felt that anyone tried to make me do or buy something I didn't want to. But the way I look at it - if you are going to start your business, you need your business tools. How are you going to demonstrate the products you sell if you don't have any products? My products are my busy bees, I use them all the time, for my business and for myself... So my skin care now is Arbonne, instead of another high street brand, so what? I love the products and I get paid 8% cash back when I buy them. Besides, as they are business tools, they are tax deductible.
I started doing Arbonne 5 months ago and I promoted to District Manager after just three. That means higher commission and cash back on your own purchases. Am I expected to meet any deadlines? absolutely not. My upline guides me on what I need to achieve if I want to progress in my career, but it doesn't matter at all if I don't do it.
The people I've met so far are absolutely amazing, really caring and supportive. The training sessions are full of advice, not only about the business but also about how to regain your confidence, how to succeed in life, how to live happier and fulfill your dreams.
From day one they tell you it's an effort based business, you are not going to get rich in a month. But if you persevere and work hard, you will get there, no matter what.
I've read lots of books about Network Marketing and I now understand how it works. More and more companies are moving towards that direction. "Word of mouth" advertising is the way forward. I don't believe it when Beyonce tells me that she is worth it and flashes her hair (they have probably paid her millions to say that) but I do believe a good friend if they say they like a product and would I try it.
I don't buy into big brands, I like results and so far I am more than happy to continue using my products, from my own business, which are making me money, while being good to my health and the environment.
As a consultant, I've never been rude to anyone, I've never pushed anyone to buy anything they don't want. I show them products and they decide whether to buy them or not. Like a sales consultant would do in Boots. If they buy, I get 35% commission, if they don't it's fine, we are still friends.
Some times (not always) I tell them about the business. I tell them my story and how happy and fulfilled I feel (maybe I am not earning a full salary, and my car is not a white mercedes yet, but I know I will get there). If they show any interest, I give them some material to read. If they don't, I leave them alone.
That's the business. As legitimate and worthy as any other. But with the difference that people in the business are happy to be here, I've never seen as many people smiling as when I go to training sessions. No one is forcing us to stay, we just enjoy doing it.
Anyway, sorry for the looooong response. I just wanted everyone to find out about the other side of Arbonne. I just felt really hurt and wanted to set things right. Thanks for reading (if you have read this far!)

UncleT · 13/09/2014 06:00

So why did you go? It's not like your were lured there under false social pretences, she was at least honest it was to discuss 'business'. Sure, it's pyramid bollocks and you shouldn't touch it with a bargepole, but what did you think was going to happen? A proposal to invest in a pet shop?

Ibizatime · 13/09/2014 06:55

District manager that doesn't know how to paragraph Hmm

lordnoobson · 13/09/2014 07:01

Lol at Laura at the bakery. A lot. I've never heard of arbonne. If it was that good would it not be in er... shops?

lordnoobson · 13/09/2014 07:03

Snort at Lola Gonzalez. Aka arbonne hq.

What's with the mums working line they push out ? Surely these reps have to leave their kids at some point? If only to drive around in the Mercedes?

UncleT · 13/09/2014 07:14

And still, I note, not a word about whether anyone actually got a white Mercedes. Pyramid selling, network selling....they're both shit, they differ primarily on localised scale and legality.

UncleT · 13/09/2014 07:16

Don't be so naive, Lord. It's clearly just too awesome for normal, effective retail routes like shops.

lordnoobson · 13/09/2014 07:19

Yup. So you buy it off the likes of laura with an iced bun on the side

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