To be astounded at the brass neck of Kelvin McKenzie?

[Catkinsthecatinthehat]

And to wonder whether if I look up 'chutzpah' in the dictionary, there'd be a picture of his smug face as the definition?

I had to double check to see that it wasn't April 1st when I read this article.

Ex-Sun editor Kelvin MacKenzie wants South Yorkshire Police to apologise for the "vilification" he received in the wake of the Hillsborough tragedy.

And he wants 'recompense' ie compensation as well

*no end of damage

He wants an apology yet fails to understand that HE wasn't the one that suffered. He needs to understand that it was the families and, to a much lesser extent Liverpool, who suffered. He should be either apologising with the Police or should have stood with the families once the fucking obvious truth came out. He has done neither.

How was it a disaster for his career? The vast majority of the thick Sun readers believed it. The government were over the moon he had helped take away an issue . And he must have made thousands speaking about it in the years afterwards.

Nancy whilst it may have been obvious I found it hard to get past the use of word which is so linked to Hillsborough in the context of KM he had a choice and made the wrong one

Kelvin should take his own advice and take responsibility for his actions. Something that he and the Sun etc are always telling working class poor people to do!

Can I just say that MNetters have an amazing way with words when describing this poor excuse for a man!

The Sun was the backside of journalism anyway - putting out the shit. It was an embarrassment. If you think that 'Paddy Pantsdown' was the pinnacle of British Journalism then perhaps we should just tell Leverson to stop wasting his time.

MacKenzie blamed the people like my brother for killing 96 men, women and children. He blamed them for robbing the dead, for urinating on them. He didn't even say the magic word 'allegedly'.

There should be collective legal proceedings taken against him for defamation of character.

In the meantime, he should just go away.

nancy, what about the stories that the reporter had written a straight story, making it clear these were allegations from the police, and Kelvin came along and insisted on putting the head 'The Truth' on it to the horror of his staff? Kelvin wasn't misled, he chose to go with the lies.

I saw Nick Ferrari on This Morning discussing KM yesterday.
Another slimeball defending the indefensible.

Edam - yes, he definitely went against advice. He did that a lot and a lot of the time he was right. But when he was wrong he was very wrong - Hillsborough and Elton John rent boy story being two cases in point.

Both were before my time but I know a journalist who was there at the time of the Elton John story who says he remembers the head of the legal deparment screaming at Kelvin that he could not run the story and Kelvin ignoring him.

And you still like him Nancy? Wow, what do people have to do for you to start disliking them?

Gowlithe I base that on my own experiences of working with him and, yes, I liked him and still do

Thing is, he didn't just make a bad call at the time, he carried on insisting he was right for 23 years - until the Hillsborough Independent Panel reported, in fact. That's more than two decades of continued, repeated smears, even though he must have known they were rubbish.

In 2006, Kelvin was STILL at it:

"I was not sorry then and I'm not sorry now," he said at a business lunch, adding that he'd only apologised to the people of Liverpool because the newspaper's owner Rupert Murdoch had ordered him to.

He insisted the Sun had only been reporting "the truth" when it accused Liverpool fans caught in the terrace crush of urinating on the dead and stealing from bodies.

There is not a word bad enough to accurately describe that poor excuse of a human being.

He says its SYP fault for lying to him. And of course they must shoulder the majority of the blame for the disaster and the aftermath. But he wrote the headline and he must have realised he was wrong at some point, well prior to the Hillsborough Report of this month. So at the point he realised, he should have retracted the story. He didn't, so he became the liar.

He could have checked the facts at the time, but he didn't.

Think Edam has summed up my feelings exactly, he has had years to apologise and has refused to.

He epitomised the Tory attitudes of the era, that working class people were scum.

I love this thread.
I love the fact that there are so many people that despise him.
So How the fuck is he still getting all these gigs as a media pundit? He turns up everywhere, radio and tv.

Tell you where he won't turn up - LIVERPOOL

I can't stop fuming about this man actually. Can he get done? If not why not? You can't just decide to print such awful lies about a large group of people and not get done just because it was such a large group of people.

If he'd said I had got drunk, caused someone to die, urinated on them and robbed them, and it waan't true, I could sue him.

Can Liverpool Supporters Club or someone just sue him, or the Sun?

I think he is invited on these shows so the presenter and others can show there contempt for him without actually telling him what a cunt they and amost of those watching/listening think he is

I have yet to see him interviewed by anyone that showed the slightest respect for him

But he must get paid for being on them.

Yes sadly he will do he will always have a voice because there are many that think like him and reminisce back to the politics of the 80's as being a great time. At least we get to see him occasionally squirm and having to answer some difficult questions but to be honest I do not think he cares what anyone thinks, I really can not think of many peope in the public eye that i despise so much he is just such a nasty character