Too feel devastated for the wife of the teacher who has run off to France with his 15 year old pupil?

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What on earth went through his head when he decided to do this?! The poor woman has taken all her social networks down out of humiliation I presume. link

Crazy.

Don't look at other parenting sites. It leads to eye strain and Daily Mail attitudes.

Can't believe some people think that. Especially in view of all the grooming messages that look like they've been going on for ages.

But the sad thing is people in her town will think this. Parents of other kids, etc. People will call her names in the street, etc.

I can believe viva even on this thread it's been mildly hinted that he's not done anything wrong yet by a minority.

Yes, he will never work as a teacher again. But what charges will he face? Not really clear.

LOTS of people will think like this.
I have seen it all before.
We live in a society that will find a way of blaming the female involved.

Whether it be a child who has been groomed by an adult or the mother of the man doing the grooming or even the mother of the child.

anoldie its depressing but unsurprising. I have been a member of that forum longer than this one (although I dont go on there anymore). There is a vocal majority of utter fuckwits who will swear blind that even 12 year olds are asking to be gang raped and poor men cant be expected to tell the difference between a child's body and an adult, even when he is having sex with her.

Why didn't the stupid prick wait until she was 16? I mean, it still would have been boaky and wrong (IMO) but at least legal and he wouldn't have shagged her life up for her.

Still would have been shit for his wife. I mean even if he 'came to his senses' his wife can never take him back even if he wanted to. Would you want to be the woman that took back her husband that ran off with an underage girl?! If he'd ran off with a 25 year old, say, then realised his mistake, then maybe they could have resolved it. He will never recover from this and I don't say that sympathetically.

Hopefully in time, the girl will be able to get over this and put it behind her. After all, she has been manipulated at a young age by a fucking teacher. She is blameless, tbh. If I were her dad, I would want to strangle that bloke.

Not sure it would be legal bupcakes.
Not if she was at school and he was a teacher.
There was an amendment to the law a while ago to include any adult in a position of power/responsibility.

Having a relationship with someone over the legal age of consent can still come under this law.

I want any teacher (and any other profession included under the pastoral role bit of the legislation) found guilty of this kind of relationship to spend time in prison over it. It is a terrible abuse of power.

Sorry, that should be 'relationship'.

Ahhh ok, I was assuming that if she was 16 (and assuming she was post-GCSEs/left school and at college or working) that the law would count it as legal. I didn't know about this amendment.

Yes but much worse for the parents of the child.

I think the grooming charge will be easily side-stepped - 'we didn't have sex or anything like that and we both knew that'.

and the question will be raised ' is it in the public interest to charge?'

'Is it in the public interest to charge?'

YES

I think it probably is Narked. But the CPS will take into account the 'nature of the relationship as they both describe' and her age. I don't think it will be clear at all.

I wonder if the headmaster inadvertently said too much in public today. If you look at his remarks quoted in this BBC article there has to be far more of a back story to this than revealed explicitly so far.

If she had left school and it was shown that there was no grooming pre 16, whilst a pupil - tbh he would probably get away with it bupcakes

But I doubt he would keep his job or get another one easily.

The h/master is wondering into contempt of court scenario. Prejudicing a 'fair trial'.

The 15 year old CHILD is the victim of possibly sexual abuse/rape.

What the hell is the point of having an age of consent and then fudging round it. This isn't 2 15 year olds it's a child and a mature man moreover in a position of trust. I think he should ( if evidence) be charged with rape.

If this was my dd coming back from France would be the least of his problems...

In what way pan? At the moment there is no charge and no trial and as far as I can see he was commenting on fact, not speculating.

I know. Which makes it even more foolish! This is a supposedly educated bloke. He's trained to be a teacher and he will never work again in this kind of job or any other meaningful employment, probably.

he has been an idiot, there's no question about that. but tbh I do think that to class the girl as vulnerable and a victim is a bit disingenuous.

There are plenty of threads on mn where people talk about their 15 year olds wanting to have sex, and how at 15 they are not necessarily too young to do so and to talk about safe sex etc. How we should understand that teens will have sex whether we discourage that or not - I've seen these types of comments made about kids as young as 13, and tbh as a rule the emphasis seems to be on girls - why is that?

At 15 she may well believe she is in love.If she'd gone off with a 16 or 17 year old people would be saying they were both teens and that the law needed to go softly on him.

As her teacher he is the one who should have slammed on the breaks and never allowed things to develop, he has abused his power and should rightly be held accountable for that.

But as a 15 year old girl I don't think we should necessarily just write her off as an innocent victim who wasn't in control of her feelings and emotions - at 15 girls do generally know what they want.

It is IMO possible to condemn his actions while at the same time still acknowledging that being 15 doesn't necessarily make her a victim incapable of doing anything about the situation.

He can't and won't be charged with rape as there is no evidence that he has done that, yet.
CPS have to recognise the feelings and near-age/maturity of the 'victim'. It isn't 'fudging'. It's judging each case on it's merits. I would guess right now they are considering the terms of a 'negotiated' return.

None of that is relevant to anything, wannabe. What he has done is illegal. I just hope to God nothing worse happens.

londonone - by virtue of making public statements of 'previous behaviour' which any potential juror would hear/read - this trial would have to rest on the evidence on the case, not on unsubstantiated suggested/allegation - defence may well argue there is no chance of a fair trial IF anyone else publishes any more alleged 'detail'.