to be a bit [shock] when Theo on dragons den said any thing over a DD bra

[delightfullyfragrant]

was not profitable because "it becomes a completely different bra" and costs would be too high.

Am I right in thinking he wouldn't invest in the woman's lingerie company for bigger breasted women because the bras cost too much to make when they get to an E cup?

The woman said that high street shops don't stock bra's above a DD and she wanted to specialise in bigger cup sizes. He just said that's because anything over a DD would need to be a completely different shape/mould and therefore companies find it too expensive.

AIBU to think with attitudes like this no wonder so many women are in the wrong size bras.

cake, you are not wrong saying that overweight women will have a larger breast size than if they were a healthy weight.
BUT suggesting that it's a good idea to keep those overweight women in a size that doesn't fit is outrageous. You know it can cause all sorts of back problems don't you.

Do you think women will say Oh! you know I lost weight because I couldn't buy a bra to fit on the high street!

When my BMI was 21 I had DD/E boobs - I was noticeable big there. However as my weight had increased so have they.

When I lost 2 st I did come down a cup size. One of the criteria for breast reduction surgery in our area is that you have to lose 3 stone and have no reduction in breast size - so obviously its not quiet as simple as lose weight have smaller boobs for every woman.

Nah valium, I'm not on board with the whole 'normalising' argument, clearly some slim women have boobs, both natural and augmented. But there must be a link with increased obesity and increased bra size. How many women who lose weight maintain the same bra size? My big boobs have vastly depleted since I lost 3st. Stands to reason really. But in no way would a lack of large bras helped kickstart my decision to diet! That's just daft.

clearly some slim women have BIG boobs - I meant to say. duh.

Also cake overweight women will also have wider backs but most of the women I know have been wearing too large a back and too small a cup.

Yes thats what we should do, degrade and humiliate the fatties into losing weight.

FFS I have never heard anything more ridiculous.

Oh purleeze Cake - I'm a 32 back size and with that and my other measurements could happily wear a size 12 of the shelf. However I'm also a G cup size which means I have to wear a 14 and sometimes even a 16 top just to get it to fasten around my boobs. I cycle over 25 miles a week, walk another 4 miles and have a normal bmi. I just happen to look like Jordan thanks to my genetics. So piss of with your 'elements of choice', thanks.

I am an E and if I lost 3 stone I would be clinically underweight.

CakeMeIAmYours WTF??
Your basically saying that stocking bigger bra sizes is wrong because it encourages obesity?
Nice!

If 50% of women are over size 16 then that's the new normal. Shops have adjusted their stocks to reflect that, so eg in my local M&S, I can rarely find a size 6/8, however, what they haven't done is recognised that they need to reflect the changing shape of the nation in their bra stock hence women continue to cram their boobs into the wrong, often too large back sized, too small cup sized bra. If you were to ask M&S what its most popular bra size is, I bet itt wouldn't match a size 16.

Oh and cake, I am petite, bmi of 21 but still need a bloody E cup! Not sure where the element of choice is there.

I can see his point about it being more expensive to make bigger bras, and if most women wear smaller bras, it not being very profitable to stock them in a normal high street shop. Most high street retailers seem to have the same view.

That's why most of my bras are from Bravissimo (I love their shops BTW, and their bra fitters are so much better than in any other shop I've been in). Although probably most of the reason they make a profit is down to the unwillness of major retailors to stock bigger bras.

CakeMeIAmYours - I understand that obese women tend to have bigger breasts. But I'm not convinced that women will try and lose weight (which is easier said than done) just because high street bras are too small.

I think that a generalization to delightfullyfragrant my back size has stayed the same but my cup size has gone huge - I've also now got wide hips and flabby tum - but my back size and general outline is the same. Not everyone puts the weight on in the same areas.

I worded my post carefully, because I do acknowledge that there are always statistical outliers (slim women with large breasts, overweight women with small ones) but I stand by my point that generally there is a high degree of correlation between obesity and breast size.

I just don't think it is a good thing on the whole for us to continue to create larger sizes for everything (bras, clothes, plane seats, operating tables etc) because this does normalise obesity.

I do believe, however that being unable to find clothes that fit, or suffering the humiliation of being unable to fit into a plane seat is often the trigger that makes people realise that they need to lose weight.

Of course it's not a magic wand, but it can act as a signal that a person is not a normal size, and hay they should do something about it.

sure cassandra but many will

Because losing weight is just so easy, of course

So your solution to obesity is to not allow fat women to have bras that fit?

like I said, extremely moronic.

Also, learn how bra sizes work. You can tell from the size whether someone is obese or not. And look up statistical outliers, since you are applying it incorrectly.

I ended up with 32DD breasts after I lost 2 1/2 stone.
Before that I was a 36C which was easy to buy for.

Maybe, rather than denying fatties decent clothing, it might be worth say...
I don't know...
Stopping food manufacturers filling their foods with fat, salt, sugar, and artificial additives?
Selling 'diet' foods? which are low in fat but filled with other shite instead
Allowing food outlets to 'normalise' kingsize, supersize, jumbo portions of food?
Encourage more sport in schools?
Educate people in 'proper' eating, and ban fad diet clubs, magazines and books?...
But then again, maybe we should just not let fat people have clothes! Then everyone can see how fat they are and they will be humiliated into going on a diet!

Being humiliated can also make things worse of course, and cause a vicious circle effect - I feel shit so I'll eat and drink more. Being called fat as a teenager really helped I can tell you...especially as I really wasn't.

No, I'm not using the term 'statistical outlier' incorrectly, but while we are on the subject, can I suggest you consider the etymology of the word 'Moron'?

It is a derogarory term used to describe people with learning disabilities. please use something less offensive in future.

Saggy
I agree

derogatory bloody iPad!

In fact let's just put all the overweight people in ghettos together and deny the fat bastards clothes, travel and medical assistance. That'll shame them into getting thin!

A lot of larger bra's are crap they make you look smaller and often have no moulding and will often make you look very pidgeon chested I can't stand M&S bra's they make me look a good few cupsizes smaller. I don't want to hide my chest I want it fitted properly.

La senza back sizes aren't great and they are bloody extortion tbh I found george are quite good.

The thing is more and more women are considerably larger than a DD now so its a market that needs to met.

Well I've just gone on the NHS website and it says my BMI is 24.2. I'm about to buy another 34G bra.

Cake you do realise that the letters are not a sort of "absolute volume" of boob right? That it signifies the ratio between band size and breast size?

There's a big difference between buying a bra that's 50DD and 34G. And yet retailers would have it that anything above a DD, regardless of band size, is teetering on obese.

This is why my mother insists she is still a C cup and just increases her band size - no matter what I try and explain to her, she insists that only monster fatties have boobs bigger than a C (regardless of band size)