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WIBU to give the photo to my father?

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Photocrazy · 08/09/2012 14:28

Need opinions here.
I'm a regular, but have name changed for this.

In brief:
I grew up without knowing my dad. Mum brought me up for the majority of the time as a single parent.
She never spoke to me about my dad, or why they split up, why there is no contact, and I never had photos of him, his family etc. He was a
stranger. I didn't know of any good, and I didnt know of any bad, I didnt know what he looked like, or his character other than "he wasn't very nice". They were together for around 2 years, and were in their early 20's when they had me.

When I turned 23ish, I found him and we slowly built up a relationship (we still are). We met for the first time, and amongst other things, I gave him old photos I had of me when I was a toddler for him to keep. He had no pictures of me at all either.

When I decided to get in contact with dad, I deliberatly made the decision to not tell mum and other members of my family. This was not to be sneaky or decietful, but only because it really was not anything to do with them, but more for my needs and to get answers in my life. By this point I was a mum myself, and pregnant with my 2nd, so I realy felt the gap of a missing grandparent.

There was a photo of me which I gave him. It was when I was 16 ish, it was taken on my little (half) sisters 7th birthday, and we are all in the kitchen: me, mum, sister, (half) brother, and mums ex MIL.
I had this photo for years. So when I met dad for the first time, I didnt think anything of it to hand it over to him along with the other pictures of me when younger.

Fast forward to now.
I visited my dad for the first time at his house, and took my uncle along with me. Uncle was eager to see dad, as he got on well with him during the time mum and dad were together, and also lost contact with dad when mum left him, and hadnt seen him since then.

When I told uncle about the contact with dad, and my intention to tell mum about the whole situation, he warned me to tell mum over the phone, and not to her face, as she is hot headed. She has a habit of blowing things out of proportion, gets upset easily and over reacts - His words (and to some extent the opinions and comments of other immediate family members as well). This was his advice, and I go on it, intending to tell mum at the end of the week once back home after staying at mums during the summer holidays.

We are at dads house, and Uncle saw the photo of me as a teenager with mum in the kitchen, out on dads manlte piece.

Back at home, uncle has opened his big mouth to mum when they were out and told her where we went, about me being in contact with dad, and he mentions the photo.(!) DH called that shit stirring BTW!

Mum hits the roof to me, and I got a very stern telling off, BUT, she says its not because I'm in contact with dad, or went to see him, but because I gave a photo away that had her face in it as well as my brother and sister.

I'm puzzled now. I say whats the harm? She says its because she doesnt want him to see her or her business, and that she is very uncomfortable that dad has seen a little into her life - "like the enemy has spied on me, and looked in through the keyhole" or words to that effect.

I say, but you have your face on your facebook page?! Her profile picture is her face, close up, smiling, with a section of the front room in the background from where it was taken. Anyone can see that as its a public profile, and I mentioned the very real possibility of dad and his family tapping her name in the search bar and seeing her face anyway! She says thats different as its deliberate. I didnt give permission to give the photo away and had no right.

She then tells me that dad was "so horrible, and was totally totally awful" in the past and thats why she hates the idea of him having her photo. Incredibly, up to that point (27years) she still refused to tell me why they split, and I had to practically beg her to tell me. By this point I thought she was going to tell me he had murdered someone, and she had to go into hiding, she was so reluctant and cagey.

My defence was he is family, he is my dad. I didnt know what went on in the past between them, and those in the picture are my family as well, and as much a part of my life as hers. Why shouldn't I have given it? I honestly didn't know!

She was so upset 'Id passed over the photo, I cut the holiday short and offered I leave to give her some space to process everything said during the conversation.

WI wrong to give it?
I'm genuinly baffled by the whole affair, and sad it all came to this.

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TinyDancingHoofer · 08/09/2012 15:12

Myself no but i did have to support my mother through them time and time again, not my father. If he was that awful then i really don't understand why OPs mother didn't at some point warn her to protect her.
My dad had photos of me with my siblings that aren't his children.

Cabrinha · 08/09/2012 15:12

Am I understanding this right? You met him 4+ YEARS ago and didn't tell your mum til now?
And you also haven't seen her in that time?
I think this could end up dripfeedtastic!
Sounds like you have big relationship issues with your mum. Whatever's gone on between you, I think YABU to have handed him a photo with her and people not HIS family, that dates from well after he left.
You knew there were serious issues, even if you didn't know why. Surely there were other photos of you that you could have given him?
Tread carefully with him. I know he's your father, but blood is NOT thicker than water.

ivykaty44 · 08/09/2012 15:12

If my children gave a photo with me in to their father - it would not sit on the mantel but in the fire that is for sure.

I worry that your mum thought of you as a shoulder to cry on when you were growing up, where were her brothers then to support her?

Photocrazy · 08/09/2012 15:13

I did apoligise to mum. and i retrieved the photo from dad's to send back to mum.

she never told me of any bad between them. as my uncle said, she was always indifferant when his name was mentioned, always gave a shrug of her shoulders and said next to nothing. in fact she always gave me the impression of boredom when he was mentioned.
perhaps if i had just one iota of an inkling of her true feelings, then I'm pretty adament I'd have thought twice about the picture. but i didn't know a thing!
i said to mum I'm the first to hold my hands up and apologise for the upset, but ive been kept in the dark my whole life about my dad, so from my naive view there was no harm.

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TinyDancingHoofer · 08/09/2012 15:14

posted too soon
...aren't his children but they are still my family. They are not there as pictures of my mothers children but as pictures of my siblings. Same thing, i know but different in my head.

Photocrazy · 08/09/2012 15:15

distance Is a factor for bring unable to visit as much as we'd like.

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HolyParalympicGoldBatman · 08/09/2012 15:15

YABU

Just in geneal when it comes to photographs of other people you shouldn't distribute them without their consent. That includes facebook, giving them to long lost family members, putting them on online profiles or giving them to the local paper. Just don't do it, you don't know what reasons people have for not wanting their picture distributed.

With regards to the facebook thing, if your mum has been married since splitting from your father then wouldn't she have a different surname to when he knew her? So it wouldn't have been that easy to find her?

squeakytoy · 08/09/2012 15:16

Did you never ask any other family members about your father?

EnjoyGOLDResponsibly · 08/09/2012 15:16

I also think its a bit weird that it's the photo and your mums reaction that are worrying you.

Aren't you more disgusted that your father, with whom you have been attempting to build a relationship with, has omitted he knocked your mum about and fucked all the family money.

That'd be the bit that I would think really unreasonable

dylanthedragon · 08/09/2012 15:18

How you manage the reintroduction of your dad to your life is up to you. It sounds like you made a mistake trusting your uncle to keep quiet until you were ready to tell your mum but I can see why you might not have told your mum earlier if you didn't want to upset her.

However, i think YABU about the photo. Your mum obviously still feels very strongly about you dad. The thought of my abusive ex having a photo on his mantlepiece of me with my children (who he is not the father of) would really upset me. Its creepy and allows him to see into a private family moment. The issue isn't who owned the piece of paper that the photo is printed on, its about the image and the invasion into her life. Could you not offer him a new photo with just you in it and get that one back? Perhaps you mum has one you could copy if you don't have one of just you at that age.

TBH, I don't see why he would want a photo of his ex and children he has no connection with (excluding you) in pride of place in his front room!

Photocrazy · 08/09/2012 15:20

they were never married. mum uses the same surname on her facebook page as when dad and mum were together.

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nancerama · 08/09/2012 15:22

I kind of understand how your mum is feeling. I've had no contact with my father since he walked out on my mother (my choice). This week I've discovered that my cousin is Facebook friends with my father's new wife and that my cousin regularly visits - I had no idea. My Facebook page is set to private, so only friends can see photographs, but now I'm getting upset because it's possible that my cousin could show my ex father pictures of me or DS. I know that my feelings are entirely irrational, but when someone has caused you a great deal of hurt, it's odd things like this that can bewilder you.

Photocrazy · 08/09/2012 15:29

i feel sad on mums part of what went on between then definatly.
I'm still getting to know the man myself.
he acted in the way he did when they were together, and made things awful for mum.
but almost 30years on and there its no trace of that on him from what we can see, and if there was we wouldn't allow him with our children especially .
I need to know him now, and my children do as well. i am mixed race as are my children and husband. and dad represents a significant part of our heritage that i want my children to identify with. is it awful for me to believe he has changed for the better and grown up and matured? maybe i really am a thick idiot for getting involved in this whole affair.

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Narked · 08/09/2012 15:30

I think it was odd of you to give this man a picture of your family.

You said 'I deliberatly made the decision to not tell mum and other members of my family. This was not to be sneaky or decietful, but only because it really was not anything to do with them,' Totally fair enough. So why give him a picture of them if it was not anything to do with them?

Narked · 08/09/2012 15:33

And the picture wasn't some precious childhood moment of yours that he missed - it was your little sister's birthday, a child he's not related to, and you were 16 on it.

squeakytoy · 08/09/2012 15:34

I get the feeling that you are minimising what happened to your mum while she was with him. That in itself will be upsetting for your mum.

TidyGOLDDancer · 08/09/2012 15:40

I think you really need to understand that what you have in some way done is put an abused woman back into the life of her abuser. Whether or not you knew that at the time is sort of incidental. You knew your mum did not want to discuss your dad, therefore you should've respected this enough to not violate her trust and hand over a photo with her in.

I think you're a bit blinded here, because you're pleased to have your dad back in your life. This is understandable, certainly, but he's not only your dad, he is your mum's abuser. Please try to remember this. Your mum is not only hurt by your actions, but potentially quite concerned for you and your DCs.

Socknickingpixie · 08/09/2012 15:40

even befor i saw the post with the "he slapped her about a bit" i thought yabvvu.

after reading that i thought bloody hell minimise domestic violence much.

but im very surprised your dad would even want a photo of your siblings.

i think you were very out of order it wasnt intentional but you should apoligise and not do it again. i also think you should praise your mum for not slagging off your dad to you as a child,and totally rethink your attitude towards dv

diddl · 08/09/2012 17:00

If my dad had been violent to my mum I can´t imagine wanting anything to do with him tbh.

Nor would I think it necessary for my children to know such a person.

maytheoddsbeeverinyourfavour · 08/09/2012 17:21

YABU

I can see why your mum would be so upset that you gave him a photo of her and her younger children, especially as doing so was totally unnecessary. The photos of you are fair enough but I can't think why you'd do that

I agree with you though that she should have told you about him sooner and it's your choice and yours only wether you want a relationship with him or not

OrangeImperialGoldBlether · 08/09/2012 17:23

If my dad had been violent to my mum I wouldn't want to see him.

OHforDUCKScake · 08/09/2012 17:45

If I had a child with an Ex I hated, Id feel deeply uncomfortable with him having a photo of me and my other children sitting on his mantle piece.

However, I feel as though she has bought this on herself some what by not telling you anything about your Dad. That must have been really hard, knowing she knew but chose not to tell you.

I think you were being a bit U with the photo thing.

However, I think its totally forgivable.

QuintessentialShadows · 08/09/2012 17:49

Yabu.

You had no right to give away a photo with other people than yourself.

Also, her facebook is her business. For all you know she is "unsearchable" to strangers, her settings may allow only her friends to see her page, etc.

ProphetOfDoom · 08/09/2012 17:51

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HiHowAreYou · 08/09/2012 18:43

With regards to the photograph, your mum must feel betrayed and violated, and she has every right to be.
Did you really lack the imagination to think that perhaps her ex, your father, might have been quite unpleasant to her, for things to have ended the way they did between them?
If I were her I'd absolutely hate the idea of him having a photograph of me and a private family moment, for four years, without me being aware of it.
She must feel dreadful.
:(