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To think my ex is being totally unreasonable? Beginning to wonder if it's me or him!

42 replies

Fairylea · 06/09/2012 20:45

Okay this might be long, I will try and keep it as short as I can.

My ex and I have one dd together, she is 9 years old. We split up when she was 6 months old. My choice although he was a horrible partner to be with and spent everyday down the pub from the time he finished work at 3pm till 11pm when he walked in and expected dinner ready - that sort of thing. Yes I was an idiot to put up with it for so long but prior to having dd we were both young and it was all fine doing that sort of thing.. When I had dd I changed and expected him to too and he didn't. So I left him. He has never forgiven me for this.

When we split up I didn't want to be in the area we lived in anymore. It wasn't a safe area to bring up dd so I moved 136 miles away to a nicer area, which I specifically chose because it was near to his parents. He barely kept contact with dd except for a few hours on a Friday but his parents adored her so I assumed if he wanted to have proper contact with her (ie overnight) it would probably happen at his parents so I moved nearer to them to facilitate this - he always says "You moved away!" - he doesn't see the only reason I moved to THIS area (when I could have moved anywhere!) was for him!! Ex dp did and still does live in a hovel of a bedsit in a shared house with 6 other people. He is 36 years old and owns his own company! I will get to this.

Since I moved he decided to take an interest so he's had one weekend a month at his mum and dads with dd and one weekend a month in London.

Until now we have split the travelling like this - on the weekends his mum and dad have them I drive dd there and I drive over there to pick her up and bring her back. His side of this bargain (!!) is that his dad picks him up from the train station nearest them - which is in my mind ridiculously unfair as we have a train station near us (walking distance) that ex could get to and then his dad could pick him and dd up from there... But no, I've been doing all the driving dd about - it's an hour each way.

On the London weekends - he comes up on Friday, picks up dd from the train station (that I drive her to to meet him) and takes her back on the train. On the Sunday I drive 3 hours down there to pick her up and 3 hours back with dd in the car to get home. (As the crow flies it is not 3 hours but with traffic etc it does take that long).

12 weeks ago I had a baby. I had a c section (which was elective so basically as far as he is concerned it was "my fault" I can't drive... but actually it turns out I nearly died from placenta previa that was undiagnosed so I would have had to have a c section anyway). I told him I couldn't help with travel for 6 weeks. He's was very angry but says fair enough.

During that time he's buggered off to America (for 6 weeks, the whole school holidays, for the 15th time this year, he goes every 2-3 weeks for a week or so at least) to see his long distance girlfriend. So he didn't see dd for the entire summer. He promised her he'd take her to America and he didn't. She was very upset. I let dd stay with his mum and dad for a few days during the summer as they wanted to see her and she wanted to see them.

Now he's back and asking to start all this travelling up again and for me to do all the driving again. I don't want to. I can't realistically (or safely) drive long distances when I am sleep deprived and ds should not have to sit for hours in a car seat when in my mind ex should be doing the travelling, especially as I have been doing so much for so long.

He says I am being unreasonable and the "world revolves" around me apparently (this coming from a man who at the age of 36 lives the life swanning off round the world several times a year but cannot afford to give dd a room of her own / proper place to sleep (not even a blow up bed ffs) - he owns his own company and is quite well off but still lives in a grotty bedsit that dd hates!) ... I have told him I am not prepared to do any more driving unless either my husband or my mum is around to babysit ds which they are currently not as they both work Sundays (the day I'd drive if it was a London weekend).

He has now recently passed his driving test but he is saying he can't afford a hire car or to buy a second hand car - but he can afford numerous trips abroad!!! (I told him this as well). He's even moaning about the cost of petrol to pay his mum and dad to drive him (they are in their 70's). I looked online and the cheapest flights to the area of America he goes to are £500 a time! (Two of those would be the cost of my new secondhand car I brought!)

Am I really being unreasonable to expect him to make his own travel arrangements to see dd? I really feel so angry and I don't know what others would do... I'm not an ogre and I am willing to hear people's viewpoints but I just don't think it's reasonable for him to expect me to plonk 12 week old ds in the car for hours and hours when he is capable and has the finances to drive himself!!!

(Incidentally when I drive he does not reimburse me for petrol etc so I usually spend £60ish of the £200 he gives me a month on petrol. We do not have a csa agreement, it is private and I know he gets paid a lot of cash in hand (!!!) so i worry if he refused to pay and I took him to csa I'd end up worse off!) What a shit situation!!

Help and support please. Please don't flame me, I already feel very upset and stressed :(

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RuleBritannia · 06/09/2012 20:58

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MsVestibule · 06/09/2012 21:02

Did you post about this a few months ago? Sounds familiar. No, I don't think YABU to stop ferrying your DD about to facilitate visits. It sounds as though he is making very little effort to see her. How would your DD feel if she didn't see him as much?

Fairylea · 06/09/2012 21:05

To be honest she wouldn't care at all. She loves his mum and dad and enjoys seeing them but she's not particularly close to her dad really. She groans when it comes to his weekends, but I feel I'm (trying) to do the right thing by encouraging contact.. I don't know anymore. It all seems so complex :(

Thank you for the replies.

I have posted something about this a while back but the circumstances etc where a little different. Sorry if it sounds like i'm repeating myself.

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HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 06/09/2012 21:10

Wow. YANBU at all. A 12 week old baby! How can your ex possibly even think that it is anywhere in the realm of reasonableness for you to do all that travelling so that HE can see HIS OWN DAUGHTER!!

Even wihtout the baby. He needs to get his finger out.

Fairylea · 06/09/2012 21:19

Thank you... that's what I think too.. I suppose I am just wondering what a court would say if he took it to court? Would they make me do half the travelling as I have done so much so far?? Or would they say the situation has changed due to having a baby? I have no idea and feeling quite bullied by the whole thing :(

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tryingtonotfeckup · 06/09/2012 21:19

I don't think YABU, I don't have any suggestions that might help. Its dreadful that he doesn't make more of an effort to see his DD and just moans. I don't think you should be driving yourself or your DS for that length of time either, pretty soon as he grows he isn't going to like it and it will be awful. He sounds like a right arse.

I hope that other posters with more insight will help some more. Keep the contact going with his mum and dad and those weekends. If his parents are in their 70s do you want them to drive your DD around a lot, I get a bit worried with my in laws driving and they are that age.

HeavenlyChocolate · 06/09/2012 21:19

Tell him if he really wants to see his daughter he should be happy to make the effort and not expect it handed on a plate. It's up to him to make travel arrangements to see her.

Maybe when your baby is a little older you could compromise and he could make arrangements to pick and drop off one time and you the following time and keep it as that?

By the sounds of it though, it's you who has been the one making the effort for your DD to see her dad and he expects it all handed on a plate with as minima effortl from him as possible.

Fairylea · 06/09/2012 21:24

I am not entirely happy with his mum and dad driving her about but they are young for their years, very active etc... Her grandad goes out cycling with dd on the weekends she stays so I don't think they are unsafe drivers... Interesting point though.

I am really struggling to understand how he can even say he does "all the running around" (as quoted from his text).. I don't understand why even all this time later I am sitting her being upset over what he says to me. It shouldn't matter should it... he's an arse.

Thank you all very much, I just needed some support and to talk about it. I start to question myself sometimes.

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tryingtonotfeckup · 06/09/2012 21:25

I doubt he will take you court, especially if he hasn't been bothered to pay for a second hand car. If he does, what will HM Revenue and Customs say about all the cash in hand?

tryingtonotfeckup · 06/09/2012 21:28

Maybe some proper legal advice would help, then you can see what the real risks are and what are threats made by your ex to get what he wants.

OutragedAtThePriceOfFreddos · 06/09/2012 21:38

Personally, I don't think it's fair for you to change the goalposts because you have had a new baby. Your descison to do that is the equivalent of him travelling to America all the time.

He should be making more effort, but he should have done that anyway whether or not you had a baby.

Can you talk to him and split the traveling so it's more 50/50?

porcamiseria · 06/09/2012 22:13

I think he is BU, ask to share travel 50:50

repeat, ask again!

quoteunquote · 06/09/2012 22:19

If he lives in a city there will be a car club near him which he could join, very reasonable for occasional usage.

like this one

If you carry on facilitating him he will never do right by his daughter, you cannot maintain compensating his inadequacies, stop trying, spend the energy on your children.

If he wants to change he will, he just has to want to, at the moment he has no reason to, as you and his parents compensate for his lack of abilities, just stop ,what he does is up to him, it's not your responsibility.

MrsTomHardy · 06/09/2012 22:39

Stop all the driving!

ilovetermtime · 06/09/2012 23:00

YANBU and if you don't know what to say to him, try fuck off for starters.

BTW, I think YABU to make your daughter see him if she doesn't want to. She has her own, good reasons for feeling that way and you are disrespecting her wishes by making her go.

Sorry :(

whatsoever · 06/09/2012 23:12

YANBU, he is unbelievable. He needs to grow up.

Great that your DD has what sound like lovely grandparents on his side though.

Margerykemp · 06/09/2012 23:19

Sounds like dd would be better off without him

DeckSwabber · 06/09/2012 23:22

If your daughter doesn't like staying there perhaps you could suggest alternatives, such as Dad coming by train and taking her out locally.

I would recommend keeping everything about her, not about you or your new baby or about him. If he goes off track remind him how disappointed your daughter is about America.

Sorry it sounds like a shit situation, though his parents seem nice. Could you talk to them about it?

Iburntthecakes · 07/09/2012 00:35

I could be wrong but I think the courts might think that if you moved away from him (and I understand you moved nearer his parents) that you would need to do the journeys. I know of a family where this happened when it went to court. If he had moved it would be different and he would need to do the travelling. I think practicalities come into it as well so having a baby might be relevant but also his lack of car might be relevant too.
If the finances went via the CSA then he would be able to claim some money back for any tavel expenses to see DD. Maybe try posting in legal.

Iburntthecakes · 07/09/2012 00:36

In the family I mentioned, the mother ended up having to do all the travel, not even 50:50.

lisylisylou · 07/09/2012 00:42

I feel really sorry for you and personally think he is an a**e-hole who needs to step up. I was in your daughters situation around 26 years ago and I was a kid. My dad suddenly showed up when I was about 8 years old and surprise here's your real dad!! It screwed me up for a while trying to adjust and then I would have to go and stay with him every fortnight on a weekend. I hated it and I would absolutely dread going and would try anything I could to get out of it. I remember begging my mum not to go. He was never a bad man and I think in his mind he was making an effort with me but it would be having to sit down and just watch films for the whole weekend and I would be bored out of my skull. I did try to make an effort to keep the relationship going but it fell apart and to be honest I don't miss him even now and I am 36 years old.

I think you really need to listen to your daughter, I can't really help you I'm afraid but I always knew my dad was never really making an effort. I still resent him for it but I did always know that my mum was trying to do the right thing. I wouldn't be even thinking of travelling and it is down to him to accept his responsibilites. It does sound as though he'll never change just like my dad never really changed and I always felt that I had to continue the relationship 'just because' he was my dad for years. My brother also went through the same thing as me with his dad and he ended up cutting him out of his life and I know for sure that he doesn't feel upset about it. I think it really came about that we have our own children now and we don't want them to get hurt the way we were and have them go through the same cycle. I'm sure I will be blasted by other m'ner's but both myself and my brother have had to accept that it was nothing to do with us and we both made up our minds independently to stop seeing our different dads. I hope that my comments may have given you some insight though I doubt they have helped. The only thing I would advise is just to ensure your daughter knows that none of this is her fault because she may have a tendency to carry guilt and worry around with her. Good luck x

Nanny0gg · 07/09/2012 01:07

Would it not be sensible for you to get proper, legal advice about all this? Is your agreement set in law or is it informal? If the latter, then it's probably time it changed.

JustSpiro · 07/09/2012 01:22

I presume when she does the London weekends your DD is staying with him in this bedsit - where he has one room and no bed for her to sleep on, and various random housemates wandering about?

TBH I wouldn't be happy with that arrangement regardless of the travelling.

I would suggest that tell him you are quite happy to facilitate the weekends with his parents but given your change in circumstances and the fact that he doesn't have appropriate accommodation/facilities for a 9yo girl to stay the London weekends have to stop.

She's getting towards an age where privacy and such like will be more significant to her and she's likely to start feeling uncomfortable with this side of things too before long, I would think.

HansieMom · 07/09/2012 03:01

I believe last time I said, "his turn!", same applies now.

tryingtonotfeckup · 07/09/2012 07:47

Please seek proper legal advice, there are lots of issues, moving away plus his lack of appropriate accomodation, level of support given etc If you get some advice you at least know where you stand, whether his threats actually have any weight and what you can do. Agree with other posters on this and keeping it about seeing his child, not you or your new son. It is a really difficult and worrying situation, especially when you are recovering from a CS and looking after a newborn. Good luck