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To think my ex is being totally unreasonable? Beginning to wonder if it's me or him!

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Fairylea · 06/09/2012 20:45

Okay this might be long, I will try and keep it as short as I can.

My ex and I have one dd together, she is 9 years old. We split up when she was 6 months old. My choice although he was a horrible partner to be with and spent everyday down the pub from the time he finished work at 3pm till 11pm when he walked in and expected dinner ready - that sort of thing. Yes I was an idiot to put up with it for so long but prior to having dd we were both young and it was all fine doing that sort of thing.. When I had dd I changed and expected him to too and he didn't. So I left him. He has never forgiven me for this.

When we split up I didn't want to be in the area we lived in anymore. It wasn't a safe area to bring up dd so I moved 136 miles away to a nicer area, which I specifically chose because it was near to his parents. He barely kept contact with dd except for a few hours on a Friday but his parents adored her so I assumed if he wanted to have proper contact with her (ie overnight) it would probably happen at his parents so I moved nearer to them to facilitate this - he always says "You moved away!" - he doesn't see the only reason I moved to THIS area (when I could have moved anywhere!) was for him!! Ex dp did and still does live in a hovel of a bedsit in a shared house with 6 other people. He is 36 years old and owns his own company! I will get to this.

Since I moved he decided to take an interest so he's had one weekend a month at his mum and dads with dd and one weekend a month in London.

Until now we have split the travelling like this - on the weekends his mum and dad have them I drive dd there and I drive over there to pick her up and bring her back. His side of this bargain (!!) is that his dad picks him up from the train station nearest them - which is in my mind ridiculously unfair as we have a train station near us (walking distance) that ex could get to and then his dad could pick him and dd up from there... But no, I've been doing all the driving dd about - it's an hour each way.

On the London weekends - he comes up on Friday, picks up dd from the train station (that I drive her to to meet him) and takes her back on the train. On the Sunday I drive 3 hours down there to pick her up and 3 hours back with dd in the car to get home. (As the crow flies it is not 3 hours but with traffic etc it does take that long).

12 weeks ago I had a baby. I had a c section (which was elective so basically as far as he is concerned it was "my fault" I can't drive... but actually it turns out I nearly died from placenta previa that was undiagnosed so I would have had to have a c section anyway). I told him I couldn't help with travel for 6 weeks. He's was very angry but says fair enough.

During that time he's buggered off to America (for 6 weeks, the whole school holidays, for the 15th time this year, he goes every 2-3 weeks for a week or so at least) to see his long distance girlfriend. So he didn't see dd for the entire summer. He promised her he'd take her to America and he didn't. She was very upset. I let dd stay with his mum and dad for a few days during the summer as they wanted to see her and she wanted to see them.

Now he's back and asking to start all this travelling up again and for me to do all the driving again. I don't want to. I can't realistically (or safely) drive long distances when I am sleep deprived and ds should not have to sit for hours in a car seat when in my mind ex should be doing the travelling, especially as I have been doing so much for so long.

He says I am being unreasonable and the "world revolves" around me apparently (this coming from a man who at the age of 36 lives the life swanning off round the world several times a year but cannot afford to give dd a room of her own / proper place to sleep (not even a blow up bed ffs) - he owns his own company and is quite well off but still lives in a grotty bedsit that dd hates!) ... I have told him I am not prepared to do any more driving unless either my husband or my mum is around to babysit ds which they are currently not as they both work Sundays (the day I'd drive if it was a London weekend).

He has now recently passed his driving test but he is saying he can't afford a hire car or to buy a second hand car - but he can afford numerous trips abroad!!! (I told him this as well). He's even moaning about the cost of petrol to pay his mum and dad to drive him (they are in their 70's). I looked online and the cheapest flights to the area of America he goes to are £500 a time! (Two of those would be the cost of my new secondhand car I brought!)

Am I really being unreasonable to expect him to make his own travel arrangements to see dd? I really feel so angry and I don't know what others would do... I'm not an ogre and I am willing to hear people's viewpoints but I just don't think it's reasonable for him to expect me to plonk 12 week old ds in the car for hours and hours when he is capable and has the finances to drive himself!!!

(Incidentally when I drive he does not reimburse me for petrol etc so I usually spend £60ish of the £200 he gives me a month on petrol. We do not have a csa agreement, it is private and I know he gets paid a lot of cash in hand (!!!) so i worry if he refused to pay and I took him to csa I'd end up worse off!) What a shit situation!!

Help and support please. Please don't flame me, I already feel very upset and stressed :(

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Fairylea · 07/09/2012 08:04

Thank you for the replies. So many things mentioned!

I have taken legal advice before about all this (before I hadmy son admitedly) and they have said that things like this are judged on a case by case basis at court and basically until we got there no one can tell which way it would go...! :( so I guess I am judging on the consensus and experiences of others in order to argue with ex unless I decide to go to court but for dd's sake I do try (beieve it or not!) To try and keep arguing between us to a minimum and taking him to court would certainly inflame the whole situation... Maybe that's what I should do though? What do you think?

Its interesting some of you think I'm being unreasonable by making dd go... I dont drag her kicking and screaming - he doesn't particularly want to go as she prefers to be here but she does love her dad in her own way... I thought I was doing the right thing by encouraging her to go. Maybe I'm not. I don't know what a court would make of it if I said to ex she doesn't want to go.. I've alwaysy tried to facilitate contact believing it was in her best interests and being fair.... ?

I'm not happy about the bedsit arrangment but he would argue they are all very good friends of his. He doesn't see anything wrong with her staying there with him even though she has to share a bed with him which in my mind isn't ideal, not least of all because she just doesn't sleep well! I have suggested a blow up bed but he just thinks I'm being silly.

I appreciate everyone's thoughts. I am trying very hard to be fair. Thanks.

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Fairylea · 07/09/2012 15:11

Sorry but I need to offload on here.

I've just been speaking with a solicitor. Basically no one seems to be able to give me a straight legal answer! :( its all "you'd have to apply for a court order and see what can be agreed".... !

She said the fact I have a baby would be taken into consideration but ultimately there are no legal guidelines regarding transport after a break up so its all open to arguement.

I'm beginning to think I may try and do half of the journey on the weekend his parents have her but refusing to do the london ones as that's the whole day travelling which I do think is awful for a 12 week old.... :( how does that sound? I know he won't be happy with that either, he will want me to carry on as we were - which I've said no to.

Shrugs shoulders. Hmm.

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goldenwispa · 07/09/2012 17:09

FFS am I the only one who thinks WTF? If he wants to see his daughter let him do the traveling and pay for it its not up to you to run around after him x

anonacfr · 07/09/2012 17:31

Of course! That sounds more than reasonable. He should be doing at least half the travelling anyway.
He should be sorting the travel to his place (and by that I mean he should be picking her up on your doorstep) and you could do the grandparents.

Put your foot down.

HarlotOTara · 07/09/2012 17:45

YANBU he is a selfish twat who has you and his parents running around after him. This is no different to expecting his dinner ready when he comes in from the pub at 11pm. He is used to behaving like this and you and his parents are facilitating it.

I can't believe someone like him could be arsed to go to court so call his bluff. I have had quite a lot of dealings with family courts and social services professionally recently and in my experience they are all far more reasonable than is often portrayed.

Socknickingpixie · 07/09/2012 17:51

urmmmmmmm op going by your posts so far in 9 years nobody has taken anybody to court yet?

i would seriously question the skills of any solisiter who said to you "to resolve this issue YOU have to take him to court" because its utter bollocks you dont have to do anything at all unless you actually have a court order saying you have to and you wish to try and change it.

it would be down to HIM to take you to court to try and obtain an order forcing you to fund/do travel arangements take a step back for a bit and actually look at the suituation.

he wont even provide a 9yo female child with a blow up bed in order for her to be able to sleep seperatly from him. how exactly do you think a judge/cafcass would feel about that.

he claims he cant fund it but can fund 15 trips to america a year. again how would they view this.

he cancels contact when it suits him due to his love life Hmm

you already take responsability for his extended familys contact and his on the occasions when he can be bothered.

if it were me i would do bugger all other than be saying "i will make dc availible at such and such a time at her home address in order for her to be collected" then i would leave it at that and wait and see. should he take you to court i would them make my case with legal support the worst that can happen is you end up being ordered to make the trip

CouthyMowWearingOrange · 07/09/2012 17:58
bigsnugglebunny · 07/09/2012 18:24

YANBU - if he wants to see his daughter, he must make an effort and travel. If the tables were turned, I'm pretty sure you would travel!

NPPF · 07/09/2012 18:33

I don't think the courts can do anything unless he actually wants to see his daughter. If you stop taking her then he might not see her at all. If I complain to my ex he tells me that no-one can make him see his children.

As far as I'm concerned men don't take responsibility for their children unless it suits them. If your daughter does not particularly want to see him then I would go with that.

Kayano · 07/09/2012 18:35

Should be half and half

Socknickingpixie · 07/09/2012 18:44

bollocks should it be half and half. you dont get to throw your teddy out of the pram saying one parent has to take half the responsability to suit the other if that other parent takes no responsability for anything else

NowThenWreck · 07/09/2012 19:07

Of course YANBU. You have taken the reins and done all the driving/organisising for 9 years.
Ex is a man-child who consistently puts his own selfish desires before those of his daughter.
I know how you feel. I have one of those too.
No fucking way would I be doing any driving at all.
Yes, he might (in his own deluded way) think you are being unreasonable, but frankly, who gives a shit?
And I wouldn't let your DD go and stay with him, unless he has a decent place to stay. My ds doesn't stay with his dad for similar reasons i'e he lives in a hovel. His choice, not yours, so let him sort him self out. He i 38 FFS not 16.

Fairylea · 08/09/2012 09:03

:) socknickingpixie I'm going to print this off and read your reply whenever I dout myself, thank you so much :)

And thank you everyone else for your replies. You've all been so kind and helpful. Every one of them is much appreciated.

Ex picked up dd from school and took her back to his mum and dads yesterday (they drove) and they are bringing her back on sunday. So that's one battle down.

He did make me laugh as bearing in mind he hasn't seen dd for 6 weeks (at least) he then texted to ask if he could have her next weekend too (which is my weekend)!!!! I said no as we have booked to take her away (to make up for the fact he disappointed her over america but I didn't say that) to which he got arsey with me (!!)... He does make me laugh, he doesn't see her for 6 weeks, has her one weekend and then when I logically make plans for the following one thinking its mine he has a go at me!

Sigh.

I'm too tired for all this. I've been up with 12 week old ds since 5am. I don't need ex being an idiot as well.

He's also texted to say he's planning to take dd to america during the half term with his mum and dad for the week (after I told him she was upset with him - ii wouldn't be surprised if his mum and dad weren't behind him doing it seeing as they are going too, presumably to babysit dd for him so he can still have a "holiday" ) so at least dd will get her holiday after all. Srt of.

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Socknickingpixie · 08/09/2012 11:50

its great that hes taking her away to america,has she got a passport ect and does she need any jabs?

i know its hard not to but try to not judge everything he does by a few crappy actions. if you think about it chances are its much more reasuring for you and dd for gp's to also be going as you will know shes going to be looked after well and shes not going to be ignored so he can go bang his gf no matter what he does they will make sure its a holiday for dd & gp's.

Guiltypleasures001 · 08/09/2012 12:11

Please tell him to get fucked, also stop taking all his crap on board and letting it upset you, I am also sure this was posted a few months ago, but you might have been expecting then. If he is still at it tell him you will not be facilitating his life anymore and to grow up and be a father ffs.

all the best

Fairylea · 08/09/2012 12:27

Thanks... Oh I'm very happy he's taking her to america :) and its great his mum and dad are going too, I know she will be well looked after and have a great time :) .. She's got a passport etc. You're right, it is hard not to be all judgeypants. I think I've just been so angry this week he's really got up my nose. I think a lot of it - as well as the travelling - is that dd was so desperate to go to usa with him this summer and he promised her he would take her but then didn't and worse than that went himself and said he couldn't afford to take her - for 6 bloody weeks! He stayed out there the whole summer. He seems to think dd is stupid if she can't think to herself dad said he would take me but said he can't afford it but can afford 6 weeks including a stay in las vegas and mexico.... (Sorry I'm ranting again aren't I :) ) ... BUT he is taking her at half term now after I told him she was upset so that's good.

Thank you guiltypleasures as well :)

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Socknickingpixie · 08/09/2012 14:32

its totally normal to feel like that and compleatly understandable.

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