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To want dd to have an operation for 'vanity' reasons.

175 replies

MsBrown · 21/08/2012 15:54

My daughter has cryptic tonsils. This means she suffers terrible from tonsil stones or tonsilloths. They can range from the size of a bit of sweetcorn, to a big wad of chewed gum. And they stink. Really stink. They're basically calcified bacteria, saliva and mucus. (Sorry if you're having your tea!)

Whenever she has a huge one in her tonsil (which is at least once a month), she goes off food for a few days due to the rotten taste in her mouth. And she also says it's uncomfortable as she can feel it. This carries on until it eventually falls out. I've tried on one occassion to nudge it out with a cotton bud. It worked, but dd didn't like it, so i'll not be doing it again.

The smaller stones are almost a daily occurence.

The doctor has been frank. The only way to get rid of the tonsil stones is to get rid of the tonsils. He's assured me that the crypts in her tonsils will reduce by the time she's an adult, but they'll always be unaturally large thus she'll always have tonsil stones.

He said he'd refer me to an ENT specialist, but dd is unlikely to be a canditate
for the operation just because she has 'bad breath'. She's never had tonsilitis and only gets a throat infection once a year. The GP said i should consider if
i want to subject my child to the risks of an operation just for 'vanity reasons.'

DD is 5 so i think now is a good age, if ever she was going to get her tonsils out. I'm also worried that as she gets older, children will begin to pick on her for having bad breath. And i'm not exaggerating the smell. When she has a giant tonsil stone, even the doctor agreed it makes her have halitosis.

However, when i voiced my fears, he said that all children get bullied for a variety of reasons at school. If it's not bad breath, it's colour of hair, skin, clothes etc.

He seemed really reluctant to give me the referral tbh. And i've come home feeling like a terrible mum. Am i being unreasonable to want her to have this operation?

OP posts:
sawseesaw · 21/08/2012 22:38

Definitely have them out. I suffered for years and years. It got worse and worse. I used to get stones and pick up infections regularly. By the time I finally persuaded my gp to refer me, my throat would throb if I bent down to do my shoes up. It was miserable. Having them out changed my life. However, in my 30s it was a big op. Apparently it's a breeze in comparison for a kid.
Why on earth did anyone say it was vanity? Total nonsense.

giraffesCantGoBackToSchool · 21/08/2012 23:06

GPs seem reluctant to reffer for removal - I found once I FINALLY got reffered they were more than happy to remove. I was all set to beg my case - no need. They just looked and I explained the issues and they were in agreement.

I had bad tonsil stones - horrid horrid things. Feeling uncomfortable this often will affect her at school. Where is the proof from gp crypts will get smaller? My tonsils got worse and worse.

Catsdontcare · 21/08/2012 23:12

I agree with you giraffe I had three bouts of tonsillitis in 6 months and then ended up in hospital with an abscess. I was expecting the consultant to send me away after treAtment but he just breezily said "oh I think we'll take these out don't really want to see you again"!

Same with ds's ears took two years to get a referal but once in the ent consultant was basically happy to go ahead with without issue

ChuggaChuggaChooChoo · 21/08/2012 23:16

That's really not vanity. She shouldn't have to have that happen that frequently, it's having a serious impact on her quality of life - definitely go for the referral.

Xayide · 21/08/2012 23:20

GP aren't specialist - push to see the Consultant and see what they say.

The Consultant may have a very different view about how your DD fits the criteria and if not they are still in a much better position to advise and inform you.

HippoPottyMouth · 21/08/2012 23:33

I'd do it too. That's not vanity, it's quality of life. Poor thing is prob so used to having a low grade sore throat she doesn't even moan :(
Not having a go at you there, op, just the unsympathetic GP!
Hope the appt goes well!

Emmielu · 22/08/2012 05:38

But you're not doing it for vanity reasons. You said she finds it uncomfortable. She doesn't eat. Not eating is a big concern & since she has them often I'd say go for it.

giraffesCantGoBackToSchool · 22/08/2012 06:49

everytime she finds it uncomfortable and cant eat go to gp - they need to have evidence of how odten it happening and hpw it affects her. Every time she mentions it - go to gp. You will soon be reffered! I think you will get a different opionion from an ent dr I really do.

lovetomoan · 22/08/2012 12:51

Does not sound like vanity to me. She is suffering because of this condition. I feel bad for her, they are only saying no because they are trying to save some money.

hawaiiWave · 22/08/2012 13:00

Yanbu, I'd do it.

SlightlySquiffy · 22/08/2012 13:12

I had this well into my late teens/early twenties. It's horrid! I'd say do it now, in case it doesn't go until her early twenties and she ends up feeling debilitated around boys.

ouryve · 22/08/2012 13:15

I was half expecting you to suggest she had a bit of a wonky nose or something, from the thread title. I wouldn't call this vanity at all, as it sounds downright unpleasant for her. I'd go for it, so long as she's happy with the idea.

NeverKnowinglyUnderstood · 22/08/2012 13:18

I used to get these as a teenager, I pulled them off with tweezers, they stank!!
haven't had them for a while, tend to get them when I am run down.

boschy · 22/08/2012 13:30

Not vanity at all, it's a serious issue. My DD1 has had squint surgery (is that vanity?) and is going to have jaw surgery in a couple of years time because she has an asymmetric jaw. That could possibly be construed as vanity, but if you have one side of your face considerably and noticeably longer than the other, then I think it's more a question of normality.

Keep going on at your GP, I bet the ENT consultant will be a lot more helpful. Or, find a different GP??

monsterchild · 22/08/2012 13:35

Didn't read the whole thread, but:
I'm not sure why this is a vanity issue, it is more of a health issue! My Dnephew had his out for the sheer hugeness of them, and he's been much better.

I would say vanity is when they won't effect your health positively, or the surgical risk is greater than the benefit. But this seems like it will be a relief for your DD!

almapudden · 22/08/2012 13:52

I had my tonsils out when I was 5 or 6. I was sore for a few days but recovered really quickly. I'm so glad I had the operation - I had constant tonsillitis for about a year and missed lots of school; as soon as my tonsils were taken out, I was fine.

AlfalfaMum · 22/08/2012 14:01

I'd see this operation as very much neccessary, it's not a vanity issue. Strange GP!

thing1andthing2 · 22/08/2012 16:03

I had my tonsils out 4 years ago at the age of 28. It wasn't great but I had good painkillers and I would do it again in a shot for the benefits it brought me. I didn't have tonsil stones but I had had quinsy twice which can be life threatening if untreated. I feel like a different person now. I guess I'm trying to say its not an operation to be scared of in my experience.

MsBrown · 17/02/2013 20:31

Hi again.

Just thought i'd update.

That's dd finally had her appointment with ENT last week (had one booked in Sept but missed it).

I showed the Ent some photos (which were taken a week ago) of dd's tonsils when they were filled with stones. I then showed him a photo of them next to a pound coin once they'd fallen out, just to show him the size of them.

TBH, i went in there expecting to fight for dd to get an operation. I needn't have bothered! he took one look at the photos, quickly checked her tonsils and ears, asked a few questions, and then told me he was going to get them removed.

She's been put on the waiting list (2-3 months wait) for a tonsillectomy. ENT said dd would have to go for a check up beforehand, to get her nose checked and discuss whether or not she should also get her adenoids out (all i mentioned was that she sometimes sounded 'nasally'). I was totally gobsmacked. And told him so. He looked at me like i was mad. He actually said, "Well, you've tried antibiotics (for her ear infections, which he believes are caused by the tonsil stones) so this is obviously the next step'.

I'm now really scared about the prospect of my little angel being put to sleep and having an op. The ENT said she will need to stay overnight at the hospital.

However, i'm also so pleased! No more stinky tonsil stones.

Thanks for all the advice!

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MrsDeVere · 17/02/2013 20:40

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carlywurly · 17/02/2013 20:43

Def do it, I had it as a child and the relief of getting shot of them at 16 was immense. I was permanently ill or on penicillin and missed lots of school. I think we went private in the end but I've never had a problem since and I don't remember the op being too bad.

I wouldn't hesitate if it were one of my dc's.

JackieTheFart · 17/02/2013 20:43

Do it.

My sister had her tonsils out last year at the age of 28. She also had manky tonsil stones but also had reoccurring tonsillitis as well. She was lucky actually - to be referred for the op she had to have had tonsillitis three times in 3 months (I think) which she did, two months later she had them out.

It was MUCH worse for her having them out at 28 than me at 15!

Just do it.

Dereksmalls · 17/02/2013 20:53

The posters above who say it's a quality of life thing make a very goodnp

Dereksmalls · 17/02/2013 20:56

Oops... Make a very good point. I feel that GPs view their role as gatekeepers to the NHS budget, if you had private health care you would get a referral in a heartbeat and I doubt the word "vanity" would feature at all. I'd do it

Dereksmalls · 17/02/2013 20:59

Sorry, I see the update. That is great news