to think that as an experienced midwife I should earn more than a window cleaner?

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My mum's window cleaner charges £18 for an hour's work. I get £17. Does society really value window cleaners more than midwives?

In no way showing off, and this rarely happens, but I did dramatically save a teeny life on wednesday. It was really fricking scary. I work so hard, my women seem to really like me and I really do try so hard for them. I feel totally undervalued and stressed and I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth it, for £17 a bloody hour. FFS. .

Ah, ha, it all makes sense now Shecot... the ignorance and contempt... the deliberate twisting of other people's words... the attempts to provoke and enrage...

You write for the DM don't you!

Well done you! I look forward to the next instalment of beleaguered British Public vs uncaring nurses with superiority complex. Hilarious stuff! Keep it coming!

Dear dear shecot you really are rather pious and up yourself aren't you?
Fwiw the people on this thread are other website users, not patients. I can't imagine the nmc cares about how people interact outside of work.
And did you really not see anything insulting about the "wipe the old bloke's arse" post? If not I worry about the quality of writers these days, really I do.

Not so thick not to know the difference between 'you're' and 'your'.

I would actually rather that the nurses didn't leave patients covered in their own excrement. That's the trouble with nurses-they feel superior to the healthcare assistants but have a massive inferiority complex as regards doctors.

But, hey, what do doctors know? NUFFIN! I mean it only takes 3 or more top grade A'levels in the sciences to be a doctor an' all.

Some idiot shouting in caps to go and wipe an old man's arse is not a comment on patient care it is a troll, dear. So don't lose any sleep over it, it wasn't real.

Oh and well done for picking up on spelling and grammar. Really helps to clarify your argument.

All sarcasm aside, though, they really do need to get off their high horses and realise their job is to care. All these university 'degree' courses with their emphasis on 'soft' sciences such as sociology are not really necessary for nursing; and I am being deadly serious when I say that I absolutely dread being cared for by a nurse who has trained within the last 15 or so years.

How can anybody be 'almost' a doctor?! . You either are or are not.

You're rather obsessed with how qualified doctors are shecot? Is it because you can't understand how a qualified experienced professional who has worked exclusively in their own area post qualification can possibly have better knowledge on a subject than someone who has little hands on experience in an obstetric setting, a year or so into their post medical school training?

Technically I am a doctor of philosophy.
And soon to be a doctor of medicine (only pesky exams between me and that). I see you have conveniently ignored the fact that, as a final year medic, I DON'T think doctors "deserve" more than nurses.

So I will be Dr Dr - I wonder which one YOU think "deserves" to get paid more

Using my common sense I'd assume "expecting to qualify very soon". If you're travlleing to london you can say you're "almost there" even though you're either "in London" or "not". As a writer I'm surprised you struggle to understand that.

And, as I said miles up the thread, you will never meet an obs and gynae doctor who think they know more about normal childbirth than a midwife.

Just as consultants will acknowledge that their nurse practitioners know as much as them about their specialist area.

Shecot, when you deal with the kind of horrific social problems I do on a daily basis, horrifying neglect, sexual abuse, domestic violence etc, you'd understand why sociology etc might be useful. But you're intent on being obtuse and insulting so I won't bother explaining further to you.

I wouldn't, she struggles to understand some quite basic concepts.

And there is LOTS of soft science on a medical degree. Sociology abounds (and hurray for it - it is producing much more rounded doctors)

clemetteattlee, you are seriously going to be a medical doctor and you don't think that you should be paid more than a nurse?! You'll soon change your tune. Believe me.

By the way, of course doctors should be paid more than nurses. Their qualifications are in the same place of work AND they need higher qualifications and train harder and for longer hours.

I don't want a 'rounded' doctor. I'd rather a Dr Gregory House who actually diagnosed and treated my condition and cured me than a hand-holding one who wipes my tears but can't actually do anything.
Balls to sociology.

Sweetheart, Gregory House is a drug addict, breaks hospital procedure and I hate to be the one to tell you this.....But darling, he's not real.

Strokes hair comfortingly.

Don't patronise me Shecot, I am a woman approaching 40 with two children, a previous career and Los of life experience. I am not likely to "change my tune" because, as I have said repeatedly on this thread NO-ONE deserves more than anyone else. Doctors should earn good money but they are not better people/more important/more needy than nurses.

Your final sentence is nonsense. I do graduate entry medicine, my cousin does graduate entry nursing. We have almost the same previous qualifications. Her training is physically harder and she works longer hours because student nurses work full shifts whereas student doctors don't. Granted my course is longer, but this week I have had two days off where she has worked eight days straight. If you are going to spout all this nonsense it is probably best that you did a little more research.

I really love when people who are not in healthcare feel qualified to say what is and isn't necessary to nursing training.

Shecot, you are very arrogant and ignorant.

When you have worked in a modern hospital in the 21st century in some health related capacity I will give credence to your arguments.

However at the moment I think you should probably stick to the writing about it [in the tabloids] rather than imagining you have any real knowledge or understanding.

Compassion, an understanding of someone's home and social background and past challenges (in addition to the medical knowledge) mean you can treat someone effectively. Luckily those in charge of medical education understand this even if you don't.

As long as what she writes need perfect grammar but no use of the word "almost"