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Door knockers and chuggers targeting children?

36 replies

JumpingThroughHoops · 10/08/2012 16:58

Popped to work this morning to clear the post. Left the "children" 17,16,12 alone in bed with a note strict instructions not to kill each other in my absence.

Came back and the 12yo was reading a booklet. Thought nothing of it. Until I tidied up - he had a Watch Tower and a .

So I said - where did this come from?

16yo says - some woman at the door, she asked if you were in, I said no, I couldn't understand her (heavily accented Southern American), she kept going on about world violence. She asked if I wanted something to read, so I said yes to get rid of her.

So she clearly knew he was "a child" by asking for his mother.

Later, I went up to the mall with 17yo and BHF chuggers were out. Anyway, 17yo says, "those Jehovah people were here last week, giving us (us being him and his mates that range from 14-17) cards, telling us to go to church.

I do realise the 17yo probably hasn't quite imparted a verbatim conversation but the gist was there that JWs were targeting children in a shopping centre and giving information on their church and services.

Come to think of it, I've been on the Mall when the BNP have a stall up, targetting school children as they wait for their bus at the end of the day.

I'm not sure exactly what the British Heart Foundation were after, subscriptions maybe? But again they were clearly targeting teenagers, stepping in their path with a clip board. They were in a line, so if you tried to side step one, another would magically appear in front. I'd go so far as to align it to 'kettling'.

Fair enough, my children will discuss this sort of thing with me BUT vulnerable children wont necessarily have that sort of relationship with a parent and could get caught up in a church or political party (not sure what long lasting damage the BHF could do as any DD or SO signed would be invalid under the age of 18 anyway)

Personally I think it's absolutely inappropriate to be peddling religious, political or even charitable pamphlets an aiming to recruit minors.

OP posts:
Nigglenaggle · 10/08/2012 22:01

YANBU! I cant actually comment further - all that comes to mind is a stream of swear words! Gits, lets say!!

WorraLiberty · 10/08/2012 22:05

YANBU

I think if I saw it and especially to that extent, I'd complain to the shopping centre management.

There used to be an old guy who stood in the middle of Romford shopping centre preaching and ranting about Jesus at the top of his lungs...every bloody market day for about 15 years.

One day he was ranting about whores and an old lady told him to stop it as her little DG was sitting with her on a bench.

He didn't stop so she attacked him with her umbrella and that was the last time I saw him Shock

flyoverthehill · 10/08/2012 22:15

oh I see plenty of fun in this. You can teach your kids to be assertive (or more assertive- they already sound more sensible than the people knocking on your door) get them do do role play on "how to get rid of ....." and those awful phone scams. And sadly there's not much you can do about vulnerable children. I vary on how I treat these people, but I'm most pleased with myself if I comeup with something really funny !

PomBearWithAnOFRS · 10/08/2012 22:33

One of those chuggers tried to push a leaflet in DDs hand after I said "no thank you" firmly and tried to keep walking. She gave it to DD and said" give it to the lady" (meaning me) so I just said "tell the lady to fuck off" and DD dutifully parrotted "fuck off lady" and handed it back. We made our escape while she was stunned Grin

Note: - we swear in our house, we swear lots. They also know when such words are not suitable, and that there is a time and a place for such words.

RightBuggerforit · 10/08/2012 22:38

Op yanbu. Pombear, that's fucking amazing! I hope you treated your dd to something nice for that! :-)

TinksMama · 10/08/2012 22:39

I always invite them in and discuss the wonders of my life worshipping SATAN! (I don't really but it scares the crap out of them!)

I also pretend to talk to people that aren't there when I'm at the door trying to get rid of them, this usually works too.

In all seriousness, it's not acceptable to target children, or anyone who is vulnerable. YANBU

NCForNow · 10/08/2012 22:40

Pom that's awful. You telling your DD to swear I mean. Sad

DefenceAgainstTheDarkArts · 10/08/2012 22:41

JW kept coming to our house to talk to me when my mum was dying (I was 6.)

One day they disappeared; I think my Dad might have had a word! Grin Haven't trusted them since!

WorraLiberty · 10/08/2012 22:46

Oh God Pom I'm going to have to not just sit on my hands but break my fingers off to stop me commenting about that!

Anyway, I was going to ask...does anyone know if there's a law about these people approaching children?

EduStudent · 10/08/2012 22:54

I believe chuggers can sign up those over 16, so to them, your son would be fair game. I've taken to telling them I'm 14, even though I am quite clearly not.

JW, I don't think there's anything legally wrong with it, however morally questionable it may be, although I could be wrong.

nailak · 10/08/2012 23:04

why is it wrong? do kids need permission from there parents before they explore other beliefs?

but i do know a girl that was in a christian cult once, they used to tell her not to pray for her parents as they were going to hell and the church was her real family! thankfully her family got her out!

WorraLiberty · 10/08/2012 23:09

I have no problem with my children exploring their beliefs...in fact I actively encourage it.

But I also insist their taught in a non biased way...hence the reason I don't send them to a faith school.

How biased do you think a JW or a preacher of any other religion would be?

Either way, I'd want to be present to hear what they were telling my kids.

Not that they'd stand and listen as they've spent too many years seeing me perfecting the art of firmly but politely closing the door on them Grin

WorraLiberty · 10/08/2012 23:11

And I can't spell 'they're' Hmm

Goofymum · 10/08/2012 23:12

why is it wrong? do kids need permission from there parents before they explore other beliefs?

The OP's children were not exploring other beliefs , or being stopped from doing so. Exploring beliefs has nothing to do with the OP's post at all.

Melfish · 10/08/2012 23:16

I didn't think chuggers could sign up those under 25? Only reason I say this is because once when they knocked at my door and started their spiel, one said 'oh are you over 25?' , I took it as my chance to escape and said no, so they said 'sorry to bother you' and left. I told another door knocker i was under 25 and he confirmed they couldn't sign me up. They were all from different charities.

I'm 33 (preens)

Socknickingpixie · 10/08/2012 23:21

its wrong because the info that is given is not about learning about other faiths its about converting people they are very different things.

if i tell you about my faith and combine it with info about other faiths i am teaching and you are exploring, if i tell you that you are going to hell if you dont belive my faith or that everyone who does not share my faith will not go to a better place when god destorys the world or that people who dont share my belif are wrong, then i am fear mongering and/or not giving enough info . targeting any vunrable group like this is wrong.

but then again i also have issues with mormans sending nicely dressed fit blokes to my house because i can spend hours just smiling at them and thinking possibly illegal thoughts when i should be doing something constructive

perplexedpirate · 10/08/2012 23:28

Grin @ pom

I have had a broken leg and have been leaning out of the upstairs window screeching 'I have a broken leg' at chuggers for a few weeks (classy, me).
I am going to continue this long after I am healed as they do bugger off quite nicely.

DameEnidSpink · 10/08/2012 23:31

This worries me - DS is nearly 14 but looks old for age - 5'9, size 11 shoes, deep voice, rowers shoulders etc. However he has autism which, emotionally makes him about 7 and would therefore take them totally at their word and believe them.

OP YANBU

CleoSmackYa · 10/08/2012 23:42

pom Swearing! That's shocking!

we swear too

LadyWidmerpool · 10/08/2012 23:42

If a charity is targeting children or vulnerable adults you can make a complaint to the Professional Fundraising Standards Board.

SPsFanjoSponsorsTheOlympics · 10/08/2012 23:46

Fuck the chuggers! pom telling her daughter to swear is the real issue here! Grin

CheddarsintheRunning · 10/08/2012 23:48

I have never heard the term 'chuggers'.

I like it. Grin

PomBearWithAnOFRS · 10/08/2012 23:49

Would you rather I taught her she must pay attention to these people/random strangers who want her to do things I've said no to? Because one day Heaven forfend having the self confidence to tell someone where to go, and not being afraid to "make a scene" could save her life.
Not that I think a chugger would be a kidnapper/rapist or that this was a Life Lesson, but it has been said that "they" (as in rapists, abusers etc) rely on their victims not wanting to make a fuss or cause a scene, and I reckon that quite often, so do these chuggers and salespeople. They "hard sell" because people are loath to say "fuck off" and pester people who are then embarassed or flustered or outright bullied into agreeing with them/signing up for things because of it. It took me thirty years and a stay in a women's refuge to realise I can say "fuck off" to people who deserve it. DD will learn the easy way and have me behind her every step of it.

nailak · 10/08/2012 23:58

this is the way to doit

LineRunner · 11/08/2012 00:08

I have spent years trying to devise the perfect notice for my front door to stop organisations, religious nutters and general twats knocking on it in order to tell me (or the DCs) shit that we don't want to hear.