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To ask you if I'm just being jealous....Sorry a bit long.

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SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 09:58

Background: I'm Asian, as is SiL. My brother and her send their children to private school. They owe me 5K. SiL is considerably older than me (over 13 years). I'm not very wealthy (husband works as a shift manager in a fast food restaurant, I'm currently not working but am educated to degree level and have enough experience to find a good job once DC2 is a bit older). I feel this is all relevant information.

Last year we were invited to an Asian wedding. As Asian weddings go, there are alot of "fun days" leading up to the main event, so we were invited every night to the bride's house for singing and dancing. I have a very good voice (not boasting), and made friends with a group of older women who always seemed really happy to see me when I came in with DC1 and always asked me to sing with them. It was all really fun and they were a nice bunch of women. I was also pregnant at the time and they would get cushions for me and get me water etc. (All very over the top, but pregnant women are given alot of importance in our culture!).

The first day, SiL didn't come with me, but I told her how much fun it was. The second day, she just ruined everything for me. We went and sat down and like the day before the women welcomed me and started involving me with everything. The bride's mother too. I am a quiet person, but can come out of my shell if encouraged. SiL saw this and I don't know if she got jealous but every so often she started whispering in my ear (in regards to the bunch of women) "Don't talk to that woman, she's not good. I know her, you don't. Don't talk to her". She kept saying this about 2 or 3 women. I listened to her, and stopped joining in with the fun.

The third day, SiL wasn't invited (and she was pissed off about this). She phoned me an hour before I was to go and started telling me how rich every one of those women were and not to talk to them. She told me how they all sent their children to private schools and lived in the biggest houses on the most expensive street in our city. Just made me feel so small and worthless. I felt like crying. I still went, and they were still kind to me, and I joined in with them, but the fourth day I didn't go out of feeling so small, poor and worthless.

So fast forward to this year, and every time I meet SiL she tells me how she's meeting one of the women who I was told not to talk to by her. I mean literally every single time I'm told how she met her at a friends house and she's so funny, like they're best chums. The same woman who I stopped talking to because she told me they were all rich and wealthier than me. She did this to me last night too about how she'd met her at a mutual friend's house and she'd taken my Aunt and she'd met her too. I got so pissed off, and I said to her, "oh you should have told me, and I would have come too". I feel so embarrassed for saying that, she got all defensive and said "why would you have gone too? she only invited a few people"...I'm cringing, but I don't know why I said that, it just came out of my mouth. She then started showing off about how many friends she has and how the woman I met at the wedding was going to invite her to her house (because she cottoned on, I was feeling uncomfortable)...I just joked with her, and said "Oh don't make me jealous SiL!!" And she shut up after that.

I am cringing for saying what I did, but I just am so angry that she told me not to talk to this woman and she's going off making best chums with her, because they both send their children to private school. I feel so worthless.

Am I just a jealous person? I don't have friends who I meet on a regular basis. Since having DC1 and working full time I stopped all contact with people, and now I have no one to meet. I feel so depressed some days, and I really want friends, but I don't know where to find people. I think this is another reason why I may feel jealous, but I find myself measuring wealth and status everytime I meet someone now, thanks to SiL for making me feel like a poor pleb.

Please be gentle....sorry for it being so long.

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JumpingThroughHoops · 08/08/2012 10:03

I cant even think why you even pay any attention to her. I'm sure there is some form of cultural pecking order or hierarchy but I can't see why you are allowing her to dictate who you can be friends with or who you can talk to..

confusedgypsychick · 08/08/2012 10:05

Your SIL sounds like a piece of work.

Could you look up some Mommy/Baby groups in your community? It's a wonderful way to meet people.

SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 10:08

Jumping, that's what my sister said. But I felt so worthless when she told me they were all richer than me, that for the first time in my life I actually felt there was a class system in the UK. I am born and bred here. SiL is from abroad.

Confused, I dont feel confident going to baby groups. But since yesterday I really want to go to a surestart centre my HV keeps telling me about to make new friends.

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confusedgypsychick · 08/08/2012 10:12

Go go go!!! There's no better way to meet people than bonding over babies. After a few times I'm sure you'll meet people.

I'm horribly shy when it comes to meeting new people, and I find groups like this a godsend.

confusedgypsychick · 08/08/2012 10:14

Oh, and the next time your SIL says something about you not being able to hang out with people because they're richer than you or whatever say "SIL, I don't mean to embarrass you, as I know you weren't born here, but here in the UK we don't judge people only based on their wealth. Doing that is really very low class, you might want to be careful or people will judge you." ;)

quoteunquote · 08/08/2012 10:18

Why would you want to be friends with anyone who cares about how much money people have?

SiL sounds like a very shallow person, best avoided,

If you have a great voice(massively envious, I only sound brilliant in the car on my own), please start a baby/toddler singing group, they are hugely popular and a great way to meet people with similar aged children,

and the next time someone tells you to avoid people because of some reason, tell them firmly , " I enjoy making my own mind up about other people".

porcamiseria · 08/08/2012 10:18

love confuseds advice!!!

she is obvs quite jealous and insecure, and is now making YOU jealous and insecure too

dont let her! the women all liked you, for who you were

Focus on getting out, doing things and meeting different ppl, its always so hard with first child

consider, maybe start to answer her calls alot less, alot less. keep relationshipo to Family as opposed to friendship. start to be more and more busy

Thumbwitch · 08/08/2012 10:21

Blimey she's done a number on you, hasn't she.

She sounds like a right bitch, sorry - she didn't like you making friends with these people, so she warned you off so that you wouldn't - and now she's muscled in on these friends instead and excluded you.

Why hasn't she paid you back the money she owes you? If she's so rich, surely she can manage to pay you back? And where's the honour in her still owing you money?

Honestly? Ignore her and her stupid, selfish, insecure bitchiness. Find friends of your own and FGS trust your own instincts next time, don't listen to this SIL because she is no way being a friend to you, she is trying (and so far succeeding) to put you down, "keep you in your place" and she has NO BUSINESS doing that.

Equally - try to remember that people are worth more than just their bank balance. She may be richer than you in wealth terms but she has a small mean spirit.

Wearsuncream · 08/08/2012 10:22

Seems like she is jealous of you and muscled right in in a bullying way. A painful way of learning how NOT to listen to her/others when making friends. Don't let her see that you're bothered too much by it and aim to make your own friends or reestablish contact with these other ladies independently of her. Good luck

SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 10:30

Thank You for the brilliant advice everyone. I will try to go out tomorrow to the baby group.

Confused, unfortunately I've already said that to her, and her response was "I know how these women think". She just won't accept that there isn't a big class barrier in this country.

She makes me feel worthless for my husband having a "low class" job. But I know for a fact he earns way more than she does, and he works hard too, and I'm proud of him.

I think because she is older than me I can't tell her to butt out of my life.

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JumpingThroughHoops · 08/08/2012 10:36

Are you of Indian origin?

I've worked, over the years, with a lot of well educated Indians, predominantly from Kenya and Uganda, but I cannot for love nor money, fathom out exactly how their caste system works. It was mind boggling over who would talk to who, who had to have messages passed between them. And the women do have that habit of whispering imparting little bits of information in your ear. Worst gossips I've ever come across.

I do apologise for the blanket generalisation of an entire sub-continent BTW!

confusedgypsychick · 08/08/2012 10:41

Than ignore her and make your own friends that you will never have to introduce to her. She'll get her comeuppance in her own time.

LimeLeafLizard · 08/08/2012 10:46

It seems very strange to me, that as someone who grew up in Britain, you would choose to talk to someone or not based on either (a) whether SIL tells you to or not and (b) how much money they have. Take a step back and think about it - you must realise that these are not good ways of making friends.

What about friends in the area you grew up, what are they like? Do you have a mix of Asian friends and friends from other backgrounds?

SIL sounds like a right bitch - keep her at arms length. You can tell her to butt out of your life - if you want to. Maybe save that for when you are feeling a bit more confident yourself.

You sound like a lovely person, but needing a bit more confidence and self esteem, which she isn't giving you.

Definitely go to toddler groups, playgrounds, swimming, get out and about and you'll gradually meet nice people. Just don't judge them on how much money they have!

Sounds like your DH has a good job to me - he is working hard and providing for his family.

LimeLeafLizard · 08/08/2012 10:48

Whoever said about starting a baby / toddler singing group - that is a great idea. I used to attend Sing and Sign and it was FAB. Wish I had a good voice!

Thumbwitch · 08/08/2012 10:50

So she's a fair bit older than you - are you very young? Another thing to think about is that age does not equal wisdom - if you've been brought up in a very traditional way to believe that you must always respect your elders then I can see you're going to have trouble with this - but for your own sake you must realise that this woman is ignorant, jealous and shallow. You need to value your OWN judgement and learn to ignore hers.

WorraLiberty · 08/08/2012 10:55

I'm sorry but you both sound quite shallow and obsessed with money to me.

People are people...they're either good, bad or somewhere in between.

Their bank balance, size of their houses and where their kids go to school does not change that.

I don't really understand your problem here...other than you seem jealous your SIL now has rich friends instead of you.

SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 10:56

Jumping, not Indian, but the country next door! Generally, yes I would agree most women from there are very big gossips and thrive on showing off about their wealth. They come from such poor backgrounds, then come here and have it all and become big headed.

Lime, when I say I judge people on how much money they have, I mean if I feel someone is richer than me, I won't talk to them incase they judge me for not being well off. Yes I know these aren't good ways to make friends, but I suppose I must have self esteem issues that SiL has honed in on, and has done a good job to make me feel shit about it.

I've lost touch with all school friends who were a mix of English and Asian. I have one good friend who I keep in contact with via texts/fb who is Chinese. I am hoping that when DD starts school I will make new friends that way too.
I had loads of friends from work aswell, but have lost contact with all but one.

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SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 11:06

Thanks Thumbwitch. I know she's shallow. I will try to ignore her, but little things she says everytime I meet her just eat away at me. For example, she nitpicks about my house. We had a new bathroom fitted and she had to come and say "Oh you need that downstairs loo done too, it's not fit for guests". Or "Those dangly bits on your light look really cheap, I'd take them off". I know I should ignore these things, and I know people who do come to my house, think it's lovely, but she's good at making me feel shit.

Thanks Worra. Can always rely on you for a good kick in the teeth.

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wheredidiputit · 08/08/2012 11:09

Funny how she equates herself with these women as her children go to private school, which you have funded as she and your brother owe you £5 thousand pounds. And yet they just welcomed with open arms because yu have a nice nature.

Start by asking for you money back.

Limelight · 08/08/2012 11:10

What a bitch! I'd smile, nod, and then keep going your own sweet way. And if she says anything particularly offensive, the MN classic is useful: 'do you know how rude that sounded?'

Incidentally, you are NOT small or worthless. You're clearly in a happy and loving relationship, you're educated, you're clearly likeable (based on the reaction of other guests at the wedding), you can sing! No one cares how much money you have, and I suspect you don't care either. So who gives a monkeys what your SIL thinks!

Smile, nod, and think about how great your life is, and how much you pity her for being so insecure.

Thumbwitch · 08/08/2012 11:13

heh, you need to practise playing to your strengths - so for your examples, you'd say:
"oh we'd manage to get the downstairs loo done when you pay me back the £5k you owe us"
and
"oh do you think so? Well I expect they did seem cheap in your day but they're all the rage now"

Although this might be a step too far in the passive-aggressive stakes for you! Grin

In the meantime, work on building up your own self-confidence - maybe see if you can find an assertiveness course to do - so that you can learn to ignore her petty jealousies as exactly those. :)

SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 11:14

wheredidiputit - that's exactly how I feel. They are constantly buying new things, send their DC to holiday clubs and other activities and yet when I asked for my money back because we had an expensive few months with car tax, MOT and insurance renewal falling in the same month, he could only muster up £500 and then they went and bought a brand new table from an expensive shop, that must have cost over 1K. I desperately need my money back now. I saved up alot of money from working and we're down to our last bits of savings, so I am starting to look for a job again. If I had that money back, I could wait until DC2 is 1 years old before going back. DB and SiL don't understand this.

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Thumbwitch · 08/08/2012 11:20

Oh yes they do understand, they just don't give a shit - big difference.

Where are your parents in this? And if you do have a traditional background, surely it would be highly embarrassing for your brother to have even needed to borrow the money from you, let alone to refuse to repay it?

Limelight · 08/08/2012 11:23

Do you know what, they have no intention of paying you back if that's what's going on.

If you want to see your money again, you need to back them into a corner - and speak to your DB not to her. So:

You: DB, we need to put some sort of timeframe on your paying me back the money you owe me.

DB: Bluff bluff fluster fluster. We can only raise £500 this month.

You: Ok, we'll accept that now and I'd like you to set up a direct debit for the remaining money. Would you like to pay it in one sum or in £500 instalments?

SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 11:44

Thumbwitch, the assertiveness course sounds like something I need. I will google that later.
My Dad is ill and I don't like to worry him about these things. My Mum died a long time ago.

Thanks Limelight. Sometimes I think DB hasn't told SiL that he's taken money from me. Yes it is quite embarrassing in our culture for a brother to borrow money from a sister, and I always deal with him and not SiL in money matters. When I had DS, I thought he'd automatically give the money back, but no. I am not confident enough to go and say to him that I want him to set up a DD to give the money back. I even told DH the same thing last night, that they don't intend to give my money back. My other brother and sister know he's taken a large amount from me, but I don't think they would say anything to him.

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