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To ask you if I'm just being jealous....Sorry a bit long.

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SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 09:58

Background: I'm Asian, as is SiL. My brother and her send their children to private school. They owe me 5K. SiL is considerably older than me (over 13 years). I'm not very wealthy (husband works as a shift manager in a fast food restaurant, I'm currently not working but am educated to degree level and have enough experience to find a good job once DC2 is a bit older). I feel this is all relevant information.

Last year we were invited to an Asian wedding. As Asian weddings go, there are alot of "fun days" leading up to the main event, so we were invited every night to the bride's house for singing and dancing. I have a very good voice (not boasting), and made friends with a group of older women who always seemed really happy to see me when I came in with DC1 and always asked me to sing with them. It was all really fun and they were a nice bunch of women. I was also pregnant at the time and they would get cushions for me and get me water etc. (All very over the top, but pregnant women are given alot of importance in our culture!).

The first day, SiL didn't come with me, but I told her how much fun it was. The second day, she just ruined everything for me. We went and sat down and like the day before the women welcomed me and started involving me with everything. The bride's mother too. I am a quiet person, but can come out of my shell if encouraged. SiL saw this and I don't know if she got jealous but every so often she started whispering in my ear (in regards to the bunch of women) "Don't talk to that woman, she's not good. I know her, you don't. Don't talk to her". She kept saying this about 2 or 3 women. I listened to her, and stopped joining in with the fun.

The third day, SiL wasn't invited (and she was pissed off about this). She phoned me an hour before I was to go and started telling me how rich every one of those women were and not to talk to them. She told me how they all sent their children to private schools and lived in the biggest houses on the most expensive street in our city. Just made me feel so small and worthless. I felt like crying. I still went, and they were still kind to me, and I joined in with them, but the fourth day I didn't go out of feeling so small, poor and worthless.

So fast forward to this year, and every time I meet SiL she tells me how she's meeting one of the women who I was told not to talk to by her. I mean literally every single time I'm told how she met her at a friends house and she's so funny, like they're best chums. The same woman who I stopped talking to because she told me they were all rich and wealthier than me. She did this to me last night too about how she'd met her at a mutual friend's house and she'd taken my Aunt and she'd met her too. I got so pissed off, and I said to her, "oh you should have told me, and I would have come too". I feel so embarrassed for saying that, she got all defensive and said "why would you have gone too? she only invited a few people"...I'm cringing, but I don't know why I said that, it just came out of my mouth. She then started showing off about how many friends she has and how the woman I met at the wedding was going to invite her to her house (because she cottoned on, I was feeling uncomfortable)...I just joked with her, and said "Oh don't make me jealous SiL!!" And she shut up after that.

I am cringing for saying what I did, but I just am so angry that she told me not to talk to this woman and she's going off making best chums with her, because they both send their children to private school. I feel so worthless.

Am I just a jealous person? I don't have friends who I meet on a regular basis. Since having DC1 and working full time I stopped all contact with people, and now I have no one to meet. I feel so depressed some days, and I really want friends, but I don't know where to find people. I think this is another reason why I may feel jealous, but I find myself measuring wealth and status everytime I meet someone now, thanks to SiL for making me feel like a poor pleb.

Please be gentle....sorry for it being so long.

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olibeansmummy · 08/08/2012 11:46

Your post sounds like your self confidence is rock bottom :( and this awful woman is making it worse for you on purpose Angry ignore her completely. Oh and get your money back!!!

I don't know much about caste systems, but if I was very nice to someone one day and they suddenly stopped talking to me the next, I'd be very confused! Although, maybe the ladies knew what was going on? And maybe that's why your sil wasn't invited the next day?

SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 11:58

Olibean, she wasn't invited because the next days events were at the bride's Aunt's house, and she doesn't know her well. I didn't stop talking like a mute, but just stepped back a bit, and didn't engage in long conversations.

I do think my self confidence is very low. I have alot to be proud of. I started an MSc in 2010, and did one year and enjoyed it alot. Couldn't finish because of having DS and now don't have the funds to finish it. Even if I start working again, I won't have the money to finish. I just feel low everytime I meet SiL. I try to keep away from her, and not answer phone calls, but then you can't get away from family forever can you?

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Thumbwitch · 08/08/2012 12:09

Well yes, you can if you really need to. Unfortunately that usually involves cutting contact, which, from what you've said could be very difficult.

Can you not threaten to expose your brother's borrowing to the wider community? Might that not sort him out?

SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 12:23

I don't think I could do that Thumbwitch. He's still my brother even after everything.
Another reason why I feel I can't ask for the money back is because everytime I think about asking, they make some kind of extravagant purchase. A few months ago they got Sky HD box (I know this may not seem extravagant to some people, but I'd only get something like this if I had money to splash around), then yesterday I saw they'd bought a new table and chairs. Then I think if I ask for the money, they'll think I'm jealous and trying leave them out of pocket. I'm not the only sibling they've borrowed money from. DB has taken 10K from my other brother a few months ago. Don't know when he'll pay him back. I don't know why they send their DC to private school when they obviously can't afford it.

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Thumbwitch · 08/08/2012 12:24

Because they know they can guilt you into subbing them for the fees and get away with not paying it back.

Have you said, is he the oldest of the siblings?

maytheoddsbeeverinyourfavour · 08/08/2012 12:35

You need to get your money back, and you need to ignore your ridiculous sil

I also think that you are doing what you feel others are doing and judging people by how much money thay have. I know you feel insecure and are worried about people 'looking down' on you but actually by not talking to people who have more than you you are doing exactly the same thing, maybe those women really liked you and are hurt you started ignoring them?

You sound lovely, please don't let your sil get to you, she has done nothing to earn your respect so she doesn't deserve it

RobinSparkles · 08/08/2012 12:38

She's jealous of you because you sound like a much nicer person! She's held you back from talking to people because she knows that they'll like you much better than her.

Seriously, try a baby group! I'm incredibly shy and had to drag myself to one when my DD1 was a baby (my mum kept nagging me about it saying that DD needed to mix with other babies etc) and it was an absolute godsend! Met some lovely ladies, most of which I'm still good friends with even though our "babies" are now 5. Baby groups aren't like toddler groups. People go specifically to meet other mums and everyone is in the same boat, whereas at some toddler groups people have children of different ages.

VictoriaBitter · 08/08/2012 12:39

Why do you judge everyone's worth by how much money they have? That is a horrible way to think. I think the problem is with you as much as your SIL.

HazleNutt · 08/08/2012 12:44

you stopped talking to people you liked because you were told they are richer than you? Confused It will be way easier to find friends if you didn't do that, most people won't care, honestly.

Thumbwitch · 08/08/2012 12:53

If someone is insecure and with low self-esteem/confidence, then it's easy to think that other people are looking down on them. My sister is like this, and subsequently tried to make friends only with people who she is sure won't do this, i.e. people worse off than she is.

Journey · 08/08/2012 13:03

Firstly, you need to make your own opinion of people. If you had done this you may have become friends with the ladies at the party.

Accept that your sil makes nasty comments. Accepting doesn't mean liking the comments but what it does mean is be prepared for them and don't let them get you down. When you get a bit more assertive you can stand up for yourself.

Stop this money friendship nonsense. That is your problem. If you feel insecure if someone is wealthier than you then you need to deal with it.

Finally, you need to get your money back from your sil. You need to tell her straight that you want the money back by a certain date.

PicklesThePottyMouthedParrot · 08/08/2012 13:06

Sounds like she is the one who was jealous of how well you fitted on with the ladies at the parties.

Go to baby groups, get out & about and don't take advice on friendships from
her, make your own mind up.

Nice people wouldn't care I'd they had friends that earned less than them in the slightest!

SometimesEverything · 08/08/2012 15:03

Thanks for all the replies.

Yes he is the eldest Thumbwitch and i am the youngest.

Its hard to snap out of this stupid way of thinking, and I really do appreciate all you people saying how it is a horrible way to think because I know it is!

I am definitely going to the baby and child group tomorrow morning. Yesterday was a big eye opener into how horrible and low SiL enjoys making me.

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Losingitall · 08/08/2012 15:49

YANBU feeling "worthless" around people richer than you! That's shallow.

Losingitall · 08/08/2012 15:49

Yabu even!

Thumbwitch · 08/08/2012 15:52

Thought so. He's a bit of a bully as well then, isn't he, as well as being an entitled arse. :(

Good luck with the baby and child group tomorrow - I really hope you meet some nice people and do try to put yourself out there a little, and chat to them. :)

And definitely good luck with finding an assertiveness course - you'll benefit so much from it, and it will stand you in good stead whenever you do go back to work.

KickTheGuru · 08/08/2012 15:58

I think you've created the class system, to be honest. Your SiL probably knew that you feel touchy about it and used that. My DH and I laugh when people say..."Oooh don't go to xx and yy - they look down their noses at you". Those are the places we go to because they are typically comfortable enough with themselves to not give a shit. And the people who DO give a shit are the ones who are normally touchy about it.

Do you know what I mean?

I wouldn't say that you're jealous (and if you were, I wouldn't say that's a bad thing). I would just think that you're very sensitive about the position you are in and that could make a manipulative person use that sensitivity in their favour

KickTheGuru · 08/08/2012 16:00

Which means...stay away from your SiL because she sounds manipulative. And honestly, spend some time with "rich" people. They generally are nicer, are more considerate and aren't insecure (like SiL - who sounds like a bit of a gold digger)

jicky · 08/08/2012 16:02

Just a thought but could you find a choir to join? If you have a good voice it would boost your confidence and get you meeting new people.

Dh sings with a couple of choirs that do a range of different music and do a couple of concerts a year.

CaliforniaLeaving · 08/08/2012 16:07

What a bitch the SIL is.
Do you think your SIL doesn't know about the money your brother owes you?
If so It may bring her down a peg or two if you use that as a come back when she gets snotty with you. Say something like, "well we can't do that, or go there, or fix that, right now as we are waiting on the money that you owe us"
She has definitely picked up on your lack of confidence and is playing it for all it's worth. Stand tall and don't let that awful woman get you down.

ThePigOnTheWall · 08/08/2012 16:08

FWIW I think yousound lovely and I don't think you'll have any trouble making friends

Those ladies obviously liked and valued you - for you. Remember that bit and enjoy the fact that SiL didn't get invited every night

How about getting in touch with some old friends from school / work. It's easy to do on FB and not so daunting as phoning.

Good luck!

ElephantsOlympianParty · 08/08/2012 16:28

You are not being jealous, she is. You may be shy, but you obviously managed to make friends with these women very quickly, so you obviously don't come across in the way you think you do. Your SIL is jealous of how easily you are able to make friends, and uses you to make friends for herself. But still being insecure, she then wants you out of the way so that she can have these friends to herself. She obviously feels that if you are around you'll be too much competition for her.

I sympathise, I really do. I get the same, but in different ways, from both my mother and my sister. Although I live far away from my mother I'm still in touch with people who live near her. However, she thinks I should only be in touch with people she's friendly with, to the extent that she burst into tears one time I was down as I arranged to have dinner with one family, whilst admitting that if it was anyone else she wouldn't have minded. (She used to be friends with them but she annoyed the mother something chronic and fell out with her, so they are no longer best buddies). It also means that I get dragged out to see one guy every time I'm down as he does a lot for her, even though I'm not that close to him and would far rather spend the short amount of time I'm down seeing people I want to see.

My sister is slightly different. She desparately wants us to think she is at the centre of a huge circle of people, yet she continually wants to take my friends from me. If they're not her best friend they can't be friends with me. If they male she wants to sh*g them (she threatened to call the police on one guy who wouldn't dtd for drink driving, even though he'd had one glass of wine!). She asked another if he'd go down 200 miles to put in a new kitchen for her, because obviously you can't get a plumber in the city! Not that he is a plumber, and is in full time work so not exactly in need of a job, but she likes to feel she has control.

Sorry, this is not making much sense. You've got me on a roll. But you are not alone. Just remember that you are the better person here, you are capable of making (and keeping) friends, and your judgement as to who you can be friends with is far more valid than hers.

Good luck.

MummytoKatie · 08/08/2012 16:42

Ok I'm somewhere between between "comfortably off" and wealthy. Here's some truths about my life:

Dd is 2 and still doesn't sleep through the night. I spend my days often looking at the world through a fog of exhaustion. We could afford some kind of night nanny but I find it hard enough to let dh look after her in the night (when she wants mummy) let alone someone else.

Our house is a complete mess due to a combination of me a lazy slattern, us both being shattered, us being busy with work and dd and just disorganisation. We could afford a cleaner but we are really uncomfortable about the idea.

After dd was born I was anaemic and had to have iron tablets. It was nearly two weeks before I could go to the loo properly. All the money in the world wouldn't have made that any less unpleasant.

Even if I was inclined to be judgemental about someone having less money than me I'm just to tired to bother!

MummytoKatie · 08/08/2012 16:47

Sorry - got a bit distracted there. The point of the post is that the only difference having money makes to our life is that we don't worry about money. It doesn't actually change much else. Particularly who we are.