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To think horses do not belong in the Olympics

759 replies

StunningCunt · 07/08/2012 15:31

They've got this horse prancing sideways with a toff in a top hat on the top, and they are devoting hours of TV coverage because we might get a gold medal in this nonsense?

Why don't they just have a dog show there and be done with it?

Competitive sheep herding?

Motor racing?

OP posts:
tazzle22 · 07/08/2012 20:28

equestrianism has been part of the olympic games since 680 BC , longer than anything except running, wrestling, javelin, the eqivelant of the discus / shot putt, and a sort of pentathlon.

There was recognition then that the partnership of man and horse was indeed a skill relevant to the origional celebration / worship the games developed around (whichever variation of the history of the games you believe in it does not matter as one cannot dispute horses were included.)

TheQueenOfDiamonds · 07/08/2012 20:28

A horse rider posseses every single one of those traits necessary for the rellevent sport [Riding a horse] So, In what way are they not athletes?

HandMini · 07/08/2012 20:28

Why are the riders "not athletes"? They're not doing anything as obviously strength related as a runner / jumper, but aren't they doing something physical, technical and skilled, like say, an archer? Do you consider archery not to be an appropriate Olympic sport on same grounds? Or is it because you consider the horse to be the athlete?

Nancy66 · 07/08/2012 20:31

You wouldn't get a 100 metre runner competing in his 50s would you? So their skills must be more technical than physical.

FrankelSaysRelax · 07/08/2012 20:32

If horse riders are not fit and in top physical condition, let's see you pop on one of the nice horseys and jump clear round the cross country course. It's that easy Hmm

In response to the question about how many nations competed in the dressage, 50 riders started the competition, 10 countries submitted teams (3 riders) and I counted 21 individual nations represented with at least one rider.

TheQueenOfDiamonds · 07/08/2012 20:32

Nancy - You can't compare the physical aspects to any other sport. You use muscles in your legs that you don't use in any other sport for a start.

As you're back though, Are you going to take me up on my offer?

Nancy66 · 07/08/2012 20:33

ohh what was your offer? I'm guessing it probably involves horse shit and a shovel.....

TheQueenOfDiamonds · 07/08/2012 20:35

No horse shit or shovels.

You said the rider is just sitting there, You clearly think there is nothing physical to it, So come and "Just sit there" on my horse. Seriously.

StunningCunt · 07/08/2012 20:36

I don't particularly see that archery/shooting should be in there either, BUT we are not being subjected to saturation coverage of that, AND it doesn't involve the additional variable of a horse, so it's clearly more valid than horse prancing.

OP posts:
brighthair · 07/08/2012 20:37

Ooh can I take up your offer?
GrinGrin

Nancy66 · 07/08/2012 20:37

But i've had a road to Damascus type conversion....i now get that they don't just sit there in a nice jacket.

The only horse i've been on is the ones you get outside supermarkets where you have to put 5p in a slot in their head.

geegee888 · 07/08/2012 20:41

"A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts. "

OK OP, I both run competitively (as a veteran athlete) and showjump competitively. Yes, I consider showjumpers to be athletes. You certainly need to develop your strength, agility and endurance to be a successful rider, its something you need to work on to improve. You also need balance and timing. You constantly work on these along with the skills of developing a partnership with a living animal.

Lets put it this way. I got on a downhill mountain bike on holiday for the first time in the French Alps last year, and within a couple of hours was happily racing down the mountain nearly as fast as most of the guys there. I picked up a table tennis bat for the first time on that holiday and was almost immediately able to beat my friends who had played quite a lot before. I don't get those crossover skills from running. Running is a good sport for the relatively uncoordinated. Its very straightforward, but over-dependent on muscle type, lactic threshold, and body composition, as opposed to development of difficult and varied skills.

I think your objection is using an animal as an aid to the sport. Many sports use "props", in fact most do apart from running and even for that, track athletics is still kind of artificial because it uses...a track.

In terms of age, in many sports, you need young muscles and joints to be at their peak. And the prevalent thinking is that people "should" retire when they are a certain age. So horse riding must fall into the category of sports which are dependent on technique, like archery, shooting and golf.

But god yes, you need a lot of strength for horse riding. Its really hard on your back, and your ankle and knee joints.

EclecticShock · 07/08/2012 20:43

Yabu, it's a very hard skill.

TheQueenOfDiamonds · 07/08/2012 20:44

Nancy - Your last comment implied you still don't believe there is anything physical to it. If it's all 'technical' skills, I will be able to explain to you how to do it and you will execute decent, if not perfect movements, regardless of your lack of physical strength or fitness.

It really irks me that throughout this thread people have argued there is no skill on the riders part, IT's all about horses natural ability, Yet no one is willing to prove this bullshit theory. I'm entirely serious in my offer, It's no trouble for me.

If the horse is doing all the work, You will walk away proven right. If not.. well, you probably won't walk again tbh lol.

TheQueenOfDiamonds · 07/08/2012 20:46

brighthair - If you want lol! I'd genuinely love someone to ride him for me haha, i'm shit at english nowadays :( He really needs to be worked undersaddle properly lol.

internationalvulva · 07/08/2012 20:46

OP YABVU, The Equestrian events are up there with the Athletics and swimming in my book, I bloody LOVE them!! -and- -not- -just- -because- -of- -Jilly- -Cooper-

The skill of both the horse and rider in these events is equal to ANY other athlete, in fact probably exceeds most as the horse and rider have to be a true team.

Chubfuddler · 07/08/2012 20:48

One of the fifty somethings you ridicule op broke his spine in two places in 2000. It took him two years to recover sufficiently to rude again. Ten years on he's a gold medallist. I broke my neck and back nearly ten years ago in a horse riding accident. I've been back on a horse once since then. I nearly died of fear. I loved riding bit it is over for me forever. You gave no idea the skill and courage of these people. Not a Scooby.

VolAuVent · 07/08/2012 20:48

How many of us here would have the ability to ride a horse to Olympic standard?

I reckon I'd probably fall off within the first 30 seconds or so as my thighs aren't strong enough, or the horse would bend down and start eating something, or try to throw me off, or I'd accidentally ask it to go the wrong way or too fast/slow.

I certainly wouldn't be able to complete the given tasks in anywhere near an accurate or poised fashion.

They make it look easy - that doesn't mean it is.

BeanieStats · 07/08/2012 20:49

"Chris Hoy's bike is part of the reason he has won golds- it is tailor made for him and him alone. Ben Ainslie got his boat back from display in order to race - as he couldn't find one that would go as fast."

Both of these are simply not true. Hoy (and indeed all of the Olympic team's bikes) are of a standard design as per IOC standards (actually - not quite true - there are several but all provide the same mechanical output for a given input). For example the wheels are a standard design made by Mavic and used by all teams. Any variation is within strict IOC guidelines and related to sizing for a particular athlete - for example seat post height. Chris Hoy could quite happily perform on any bike from any team and would perform to the same standards.

It is possible to buy the exact bike that Chris Hoy used from the UK Sport Institute. Indeed its a requirement that all technical equipment is available to the general public.

In the case of sailing, Ainslie sails in the Laser class which is based on a standard design and used by all competitors.

For those sports where there is no "standard issue" kit (for example Archery) the IOC requirements are so strict that they may as well be.

This is desperate stuff.

I realise that there seem to be many horsey types here who naturally are very protective of their sport but there is no logical reason to include an event in a celebration of human achievements where the performance of the rider is so dependent on something so subjective as the performance of an animal. Equestrian events are a celebration of man and animal which is completely at odds with every other Olympic event and indeed the Olympic values.

The only reason equestrian events are still in the Olympics is due to the money the industry bungs the IOC.

Nancy66 · 07/08/2012 20:49

Do you think you could turn me into an olympic champion Queen? I could represent us in Rio.

I accept there is great skill involved but I don't see how the riders can be as fit as track and field athletes

Here's a question - don't horses get freaked out by flying?

brighthair · 07/08/2012 20:49

Aw :( how long has he been broken?
I compete in dressage Wink

Sparklesandglitter · 07/08/2012 20:50

I haven't read all the comments but having met 1 of the riders through training with my own horse and competed at the same competition as another in my youth I can tell you most definitely that they are not "toffs" and that being at such a high standard as to be able to compete in a topper and tails is an honour in itself. I appreciate that dressage may be boring to many people but without a solid dressage and flatwork background, show jumping/eventing/showing and hunting would not be possible at a high, or even average, standard.

internationalvulva · 07/08/2012 20:50

Reading unthread, to counter those who believe it is all the horse...it is VERY rare that I come away from a riding lesson anything other than hot and sweaty, even in winter in a hailstorm. It is VERY physically challenging! (and bloody great for the thigh muscles!) Also, who do you think teaches the horse in the first place. They don't take a look at other horses jumping and performing dressage and thing 'Wow, that looks goof for shits and giggles!'

geegee888 · 07/08/2012 20:51

Queen of Diamonds she could have a shot on one of mine as well, except I'm not wanting my good horse upset by someone who can't ride. And the other one is a young horse that I'm training, oh no, sorry, I should just stick him in the field to train himself, as the horse does it all!

internationalvulva · 07/08/2012 20:52

Beanie, the thing you are failing to understand is that a great rider will get a good performance out of ANY horse, a shit rider would have no chance on an Olympic mount.