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To expect some privacy? IL related

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ivesufferedenoughfools · 03/08/2012 22:47

I have to say that my ILs are nice people in the main. However, they are very involved with the lives of their DC (my DH and his sibling) and I just find it so overbearing (nosy). We're in our thirties with our own DC but they persist in wanting to know every little detail about our lives, where we've been, what we've been doing. It's like they live their lives vicariously through me, DH and our DC and DH's sibling and partner (who also feels like I do, she is a good source of support).
Conversely, my parents have never been like this so I just can't connect with the constant need for family catch ups/calls/repeated Skype calls so they can see DC (and I mean every day, not like once a week or something). Maybe this is where the problem lies as my family model is very different - though that's not to say I don't get on with my family, I do, just that my parents respect me as an adult in my own right.
So as not to drip feed, the thing that has upset me today is that we have just moved away from the UK. In the short term, until we got a permanent address here, our post had been going to the IL's (for a month max) and they are coming to visit next week and bringing it with them. DH has just had a Skype conversation with his parents and they have opened everything and read it - personal stuff to me, my payslip, everything. We definitely did not ask that they do this. I know they were doing us a favour by letting us use their address for a month but this was all it was meant to be - not a chance for them to go through everything (and we weren't expecting anything urgent so there's no reason for them to do this). We now have a permanent address so are arranging for post to be redirected again but surely they should know it's wrong to open someone else's payslip without their permission? It's pretty obvious when it's one of those perforated envelope things and says the name of my employer on the outside!
And another thing - it feels good to get this out - they are coming here next week. They booked their flights without even asking if it fitted in with us and have just decided to turn up. DH will be in his new workplace all day and can't take time off so early into things so I'll be stuck with them. I don't want them here!!! I have just started to establish a few friendships with some local mums, not easy at times as mat leave here is very short, and I don't want to have to entertain them. To top it all off, we move into our new place next week and I just wanted it to be my little family getting sorted out finally and instead they'll be around in the guise of being helpful but generally getting in the way.
Gosh - super long but thanks in advance for any coping strategies anyone has.

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Spuddybean · 04/08/2012 10:48

The thing is inabeautifulplace that some people may not mind you opening their post - in which case this wont work. The fact is OP like normal people doesn't like it. If they don't care, then opening their post wont make any difference.

My parents don't close the door when they go to the loo at my house, but me not doing it at theirs wouldn't bother them in the slightest. (actually i don't shut the loo door because it doesn't bother me - but i know it would shock others - but just an example)

plutocrap · 04/08/2012 10:59

I know the etiquette is supposed to be that everyone communicates important things with his/her own parent, but your DH doesn;t sound like he's doing that at all ("" just sound slike he doesn't want them to trouble themselves. It sounds as though you will have to make a point of telling them yourself that you don't want them opening post; it is an invasion of your privacy, you are not used to that sort of thing, and it is not on. Keep asking, "But why did you need to do it? NO, I don't understand, why? I didn't ask you to, and, frankly, you have just been worried by it, whereas everything is under control."

Re skype calls, with the time change, you should surely be able to engineer it that you are "online" at certain times, and no longer, and that if playdates or ther commitments run over, the skype call doesn't clash. Definitely don't let it interfere with bedtimes and mealtimes (with the timechange, this will no doubt happen occasionally). If they push for more involvement, explain that you are trying hard to help the DC settle in, and feel sorry for them not having any friends. You need friends and a new support network, too.

GnomeDePlume · 04/08/2012 11:04

I think regarding the post I would say something like:

'Dont open any of my post again, it's private'

Very simple and uncontestable then dont mention it again (unless of course they do in which case feel free to explode).

Regarding the first visit you could make it very clear soon after they arrive which days you will take them out. Other than that identify places they can take themselves to. Tell them that you will be busy on those days so wont be available as tour guide.

Regarding future visits is there any way you could afford to pay for their flights? We did this while living abroad. I booked the flights as that way I could decide when guests arrived and left! One top tip I learned was that for us it was important that visitors arrived and left mid week so that only one weekend went on the visit.

Whatever, work out what you want and tell them, dont ask.

Good luck with your adventure, we lived abroad for 5 years and loved it.

gobblegobs · 04/08/2012 11:21

OP, re Skype, as I have a similar situation, the invisible button for your profile is a Godsend. I feel a scheming minx but can be online to chat with my friends, however seem offline to my over friendly outlaws!!!

tartyflette · 04/08/2012 11:47

Hey all you youngsters I'm a baby boomer and would not dream in a thousand years of behaving like the OP's ILs. Our son's post still arrrives here nearly a year after he left home (lazy sod) and just piles up until we see him next. Any visits are carefully planned with full agreement on both sides, he'd go ballistic, and rightly so, if we just rocked up to his whenever it suited. He is single atm but if he had a gf we'd be extra careful.

Actually the IL's behaviour is far more like my parents' generation I remember my own mother being furious DH and I had the temerity to buy a house without consulting her (no, we didn't need any financial help from them), she just thought she had a right to be totally involved in every aspect of our lives it was to do with the supremacy of the family, suffocating closeness and being one unit rather than seeing people as individuals.

And we baby boomers are all for individuality and independence, we did it first!

diddl · 04/08/2012 11:57

I´d have to ask why they opened post.

If husband is OK with it-good for him-but stuff addressed to OP?

I´d be hard pressed to have them in the house & tbh I´d love to tell them why-because I wouldn´t trust them not to snoop.

Spuddybean · 04/08/2012 12:11

Sorry tarty obv it was a generalisation and on ime.

Altho i would say most generations think they are individual and independent - however, it appears to be only the baby boomers who think they invented it! Wink I find there is very much a we rebelled because we had to/so you don't have to, and we are much cooler parents so it's totally different type attitude. I know many baby boomers who can listen to 'times are a changin' and think it totally doesn't apply to their generation.

Anyway - total digression, apologies OP.

ivesufferedenoughfools · 04/08/2012 14:51

Thanks for all the advice. Just up here so just been catching up. Condensed milk - I am going to try your idea which means I won't have to say anything pre their trip as that would just result in a million (fake) apologies and the 'we thought we were helping' lines.
I think my in laws have clones out there somewhere, makes me feel better I'm not alone but sorry for those of you in a similar situation. I absolutely know my parents wouldn't dream of doing either of these things - the post or the flights. I haven't spoken to my mum today but I know she will be speechless at what they've done. We have a similar situation to others here so if anything randomly turns up at our parents' house, they keep it on the hall table until it gets collected. There is no way in earth they'd open something without us specifically asking to.
Next week - I am busy planning just how hectic it will be for me and DC so they will have to fit in. The other issue I have is that it is very very hot here so there is no way we'd be out between about 11 and 3. I don't want them here for all that time. Baby's routines are already a bit messed up with the move and I'm trying to wind down BF so I can do without them being (un)helpful.
This will make you laugh. I had a car loan which we paid off before we moved. They opened the letter confirming that we no longer owned the car or owed anything on it and then scanned and emailed a copy to DH - but not me!!! What do they think? That I'd lie to my own DH about something like that?!

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CheshireDing · 04/08/2012 19:28

YANBU

OP did they just scan the car loan documents to your DH because that's a mans job? Grin. My MIL tries to talk to me about domestic appliances (like I give a shit).

They stayed at our house once and I found MIL had gone in our wardrobe and through our laundry and washed and ironed it. I told her it was wierd her washing my knickers (and hopefully made her feel uncomfortable). I did have to go upstairs and came down first though before I had a hissy fit at her instead.

My friends MIL went through her post too and opened a bank statement and looked through her bedside table, there was a thrush cream in there so MIL the next day put some condoms in the bedside table! Hmm Nosey biatch!!

NarkedRaspberry · 04/08/2012 19:33

Shock The opening your mail is shocking. Really invasive, horrible behaviour. I wouldn't open mail addressed to a 12 year old!

ivesufferedenoughfools · 08/08/2012 01:29

Hi Cheshire, your MIL sounds as mad as mine! I really don't know as the car was mine, registered to me, and all correspondence was also addressed to me. I have no idea why they either a) didn't keep the letter until they arrive or b) email it to me if they deemed it that urgent (which they didn't need to worry about as I wasn't worried and they shouldn't have opened it in the first place!).
MIL also had a habit of saying things like 'I'll just do a quick clean' when she visited - but always said pointedly to me and not DH, despite us both working FT... Last Xmas she bought me some oven cleaner - which I binned - as she'd noticed that the oven could do with a clean. As I'd been pregnant for most of the year, surely she would have realised it's not the kind of chemicals I'd want to be around!

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ivesufferedenoughfools · 08/08/2012 01:35

Sorry, meant to update. DH has yet to speak to his parents but will do. I have planned lots of activities for next week so they'll just have to entertain themselves. I'm buggered if I'm doing it between moving house and caring for DC. MIL has also emailed asking re suitable clothing - I have told her it is the worst time of the year to visit as it is so hot, debilitatingly so, and that she will need to bring insect repellant. She hates long haul flying, she hates it being too hot and she hates creepy crawlies. Fingers crossed she won't be back soon and it will serve them right for booking without asking first...

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bogeyface · 08/08/2012 01:41

If a letter for H comes and it is something he/we are expecting or looks important/ominous then I ring him and he asks me to open it. I know he will want me to open it but I ask first, and thats the point. I think he would actually be pretty pissed off if I opened it without asking, not because he didnt want me to see the contents but because I took it upon myself to open it without his ok.

I like Condensed idea, with an added "I cant believe you did this,......I am speechless.....I need to think about this....." and then bugger off out for a few hours thereby killing 2 birds with one stone!

bogeyface · 08/08/2012 01:42

Tell her that she will need to wear socks in bed too as the snakes wont bite through socks Wink :o

ivesufferedenoughfools · 08/08/2012 02:09

Exactly Bogeyface - if there really had been something that was marked urgent then they could have rung and asked if their nosiness had been getting the better of them!
Snakes - now, I think I forgot to mention those... ;o)

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kickassangel · 08/08/2012 02:36

my parents have a real tendency to live vicariously (e.g. my mum checks the weather where I live every day) but even they would only open mail with our permission.

mind you, a friend of mine went to college not so far from her parents. Her mum used to drive to the outside of the dorm she lived in, and wait until she could see her moving around her room, then go home again every night . At least they're not stalking you (yet).

taxiforme · 08/08/2012 04:13

I have read this with interest. I can only sympathise - my OWN parents are like this Ivesuffered. My inlaws passed away before I met my DH.

When they come to visit my mum actually would stand there, behind me, hovering and reading my emails when I was sitting at my desk. They would punish me with "your mother didn't sleep last night because of you" (when I went out on a "date" with a younger guy they "didnt trust" ie know) I was 37 at the time Hmm

My dad particularly, thinks nothing of just shouting at me like I am a naughty kid. It's humiliating as he does it in public . I mentioned going away with a girl friend (who they have met) and it's "I dont think you should be going away with her, she is a bad influence". They criticise my few friends to high heaven they are all normal and lovely people.

When I mention driving any distance, it's "oh..do you have to drive, will you go on motorways?" I am in my mid 40's now. They asked me the other day if I have enough money. I have never complained about money, ever and they know I have a very good well paid job (but my parents think I spend too much). They would draw the line at opening mail though (even though my mum would love to know what's within). Their thirst for knowledge about my life is insatiable and they are, as said living their lives through me and my bro.

As Spuddy says its all wrapped up as "concern" but it's it's about control and I think you need to understand this in order to deal with it. I agree that you need to pick your battles but these are both battles that I would fight.

  1. Opening your mail is a gross breach of trust. You have to speak to them as a united front to say how angry you are and unacceptable this was.
  1. They have unilaterally made a decision to come and stay. Bad enough. You are about to move house and DH has a new job. Worse. I would agree that you are going to have to get on with it now but as spuddy says, make it clear that you require notice in the future.

You have not said what DH thinks about this, make sure that he does as well as says and backs you up.

I am writing this with a heavy heart, too, as some will be reading this who have lost their parents and would deal with all the fuss and smothering in the world to have them back for a day.

I am off to bed with that thought and probably should be grateful for my lot.

Thumbwitch · 08/08/2012 04:23

Do do do point out that it is illegal to open post that is not addressed to you! They have broken the law by doing so, let alone invaded your personal privacy in a totally unacceptable way. Point it out Very Strongly.

My Dad gets post addressed to me but I have given him explicit permission to open it all in case it's urgent (90% of it won't be but you never know). If I hadn't, there's no way he'd be opening it.

If their flights are already booked, then advise them to check into a nearby hostel/hotel/B&B - just explain that the house isn't ready to accommodate visitors and you don't have the space/facilities to deal with them there. If they don't like it, tough - if they don't do it themselves, do it for them then drive them there.

Your ILs need to learn boundaries - it is completely unacceptable to behave this way to your child's partner, even if your own child is used to it! Just wrong.

AllOverIt · 08/08/2012 04:43

Bloody hell OP. They sound a nightmare. I like Spuddy's advice. Good luck!

kickassangel · 08/08/2012 05:40

Why oh why do some parents never accept their children have grown up? They can never have an adult relationship with someone they treat as a child. Why wouldn't they want to know the person that their child has become?

lisianthus · 08/08/2012 10:56

I'd definitely say something about opening your mail to make it clear how completely not on that was.

Re the visit, how about having a conversation or emailing them like this:

"It's so exciting that you are coming to visit us. We are disappointed that you won't be able to stay at our place, but obviously that will be out of the question then. Fortunately, there's a lovely hotel down the road so I've looked up the details and here they are."

Then make sure that there is absolutely no room not totally crowded with boxes or packing in which they could sleep if they have the cheek to turn up on the doorstep.

cocolepew · 08/08/2012 11:09

Blody hell, you have my sympathies!

when me ansd Dh went in our honeymoon, his dad had a key to do a bit if wallpapering for us. The flat was mine and I still hadnt put DH on the mortgage.

MIL came down, rearranged all the furniture in all the rooms, how she managed to move the double bed is anyones guess. Very pointedly left my pill packet on the pillow Hmm. Threw away anything she didnt like ie make up, food, crockery. I used to collect Prince vinyl records, she moved them into the cupboard where the heating pipe went and they melted. Decided to rewash clothes I had drying in the bathroom, clothes I had handwashed. She put them in the machine and ruined them.

She also went through all the papers belonging to me, and threw away bank statements, my house insurance, motgage stuff etc etc.

It was all about control, she couldnt stand the fact that I stood up to her. Cowbag.

Thumbwitch · 08/08/2012 11:18

Fuck coco - how did you not rip her head off?? ShockAngry That is appalling!!!!

sugarice · 08/08/2012 11:19

Coco that is awful, what happened when you got back from honeymoon?

eurochick · 08/08/2012 11:33

coco how did you not have her killed after that?!

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