to think the way the Beatles revolutionised music has been largely forgotton?

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i was as guilty as the next man of slating Macca at the opening of the olympics....but then, DH made some "awwwwwww" noises and started to dig out his Beatles collection,( then his Wings collection, but i forgave him and we are still married).....and then that got me googling and i ended up with Dangermouses The Grey Album.....which got me to listening to The White Album......

and then i got googling a bit more and i think that people forget how they completely revolutionised the music scene, how they started, and how they ended up making some really really excellent music. The White Album is brill. id never really listened to DH beatles albums before tbh.....

and i feel a bit guilty now. Macca did deserve to be at the olympics.....just because he is now 70, and wobbles a bit, doesnt and shouldnt erase the musical history that he and his band mates gave us. He shouldnt be cast aside. (and honestly - if you re watch, the backing track started too early and he only wobbled at the start....he got going and was on tune!)

Now we have simon cowell who tells us what we will buy.....all those other bands that people cited as worthy of playing the opening ceromony......they are only here because the Beatles changed things. They did it first, i just think things have moved on so much and so fast that people forget. I am not a raging Beatles fan, but i acknowledge what they did.

so, it is with hands in pockets and staring at the floor that i say "soz macca". I have travelled the boards and i have said this on many of the nay sayer threads....but we should just stop a mo and go give the White album a listen.....

The Beatles were/are overrated in my opinion, but I still think I 'understand' music I just dont like them that much.

I think they should have had McCartney playing and someone else singing.
Or, a one off super group, huge pool to choose from, from then and now.

I don't think it isn't understood op. What makes you think it is?

Plenty of people here have said they acknowledge the part the Beatles played in the musical movement of the time but don't hero worship McCartney.

And I totally agree he is twee. Very twee indeed. His music never moved anyone or shook or inspired. It's just kind of these isn't it?

I like The Beatles although they were a little before my time. However I think Paul McCartney is a pompous prick in danger of disappearing up his own arse.

Elvis?
Bill Hailey?

Lennon was the genius and Paul had a pretty voice. Without Lennon, The Beatles would have been a one hit wonder. With Lennon though, standing on the shoulders of giants notwithstanding, they did write a good pop song.

OTOH, The Stones didn't happen because of the Beatles.

what makes me think that, is the sheer number of threads/posts slating someone who played such a huge part in the biggest musical shake up/revolution of the last 60 years, slating his looks, his age, his personality as if they know the man personally, the sheer animosity toward him made me think that actually, people maybe have forgotten what he was part of, or the part he played in of of the most historically important bands of the modern age.

i dont hero worship mcartney, but i can appreciate what he did.

i like music. i had forgotten how great the white album, and rubber soul, and revolver were until i gave them another listen....

i am awaiting the next big musical shake up to blow all the xfactor shite out of the water.....i liked punk for the same reasons, again i think the sex pistols are totally underated....but thats another thread.

i just think that somwhere in the mists of time, people must have forgotten what macca did musically. else why slate him?

Elvis and Bill Haley were both iconic American musicians, although Elvis was a singer not a musical genius

YABU to think the Beatles revolutionised music. They were a good band of their time but sound quite dated now.

vicars
I also think that the Sex Pistols are underated too. People are sometimes scared by the power of music.
btw I will be seeing the great John Lydon on Saturday when PIL play at the Rebellion punk festival

See I think the sex pistols are over rated now. They were put together/molded by McClaren.

There has always been rubbish in the charts, theres plenty of great music around apart from the x factor malarky.

But McCartney does not equal The Beatles. He has been a man on his own longer than he was ever a Beatle.

And please don't harbour the illusion it was all down to the Beatles. Music, fashion, culture etc was all changing at that time.

the beatles would have been a different band without any of them - thats the point. together they were great.

macca wasnt twee - i know people always say that but honestly im going through youtube finding his works and i dont see twee anywhere.....

fwiw i think lennons imagine is shite. i hate it.

lennon and mcartney together wrote great songs, with harrison and starr they were the beatles....with anyone else the dynamics would have made a different group.....

elvis - yep. totally get it. he invented rock and roll. another historically important great.

I don't think the Beatles have been forgotton at all.

I do wish we didn't have to have PM hauled out at every public occasion though. We could then recall his input into the Beatles and Wings with affection rather than yikes it's Macca or is that Ken Dodd again. I always find a little 'National Treasure' goes an awful long way. Too much and it's time for the off switch, pronto.

the beatles did revolutionise music! thats just a fact - before that britiains great rock and roll band of the era were Cliff Richard and the Shadows.

You honestly think 3 chord ditties such as I wanna hold your hand revolutionised music?

I can't make my mind up if YABU. I like some Beatles stuff, but by no means all. And it's not that I worship Lennon and dislike McCartney. I suppose the thing is that however important the Beatles may or may not have been I don't think that's a good enough reason to have Macca playing at the opening ceremony if he can't sing anymore.

I don't think it's just him, did you see Andy Williams on Later a year or so ago - voice is shot, someone should have a quiet word in his ear instead of letting him go around sounding like that on TV.

I also agree the Pistols are underrated and have been very glad to defend the inclusion of a couple of snippets of their music from some outraged (older) people today.

I don't watch X Factor or any of that crap by the way, I just have a different opinion of what constitutes ground breaking or even really good music to you.

the white album hasnt dated......if it had how could dangermouse use it?!? (i got 99 problems is set against Helter Skelter!!)

anyway - al this going on about dating music.....all music dates - it can still be bloody fantastic though.

i still listen to all my music, because its good music. does it matter when its from? i like folk, i like punk, i like good music no matter when its from......i dont get the dated arguments at all.

ill be back......its sunday lunch time!

They were the first focus of hysteria, cleverly marketed clean nice boys you could take home to mother in contrast to Elvis's hip swinging and the hippy stones. Right time, right approach at the start.

They did go on to be slightly ground breaking but not at the start.

The Rutles were better though

The beatles were who they were. i doubt that they had much idea of creating an image in those days, it was all very new.
I read somewhere that the Stones were marketed as being the opposite of the Beatles, not the other way round.

If that was the case why did the Beatles do a complete 180 whereas the stones have never been anything than what they were?

Tee2072 Sun 29-Jul-12 15:16:14
Octopus'. No additional 's' after an ' if it's already plural.

Excuse me! "Octopus" is not plural. If a singular noun ends in -s you do 's just the same as if it ended in any other letter. The garden of one octopus is an octopus's garden. Furthermore, the plural of octopus is either octopi, if you want to be a bit posh, or octopuses. Thus, if this garden belonged to lots of octopuses it would be an octopuses' garden.

At least you were never a greengrocer, otherwise you'd have put octopu's.

If you take She Loves You, which isnt musical genius by any stretch of the imagination, from 1963. A quick look at the billboard chart for that year has Little Stevie Winder, Sam Cooke, Marvin Gaye, Ray Charles, The Beach Boys, Roy Orbinson, The Ronnettes, The Miracals all in it for the same year. Totally outclassed.

Rolf Harris was on it too, but Im ignoring him