to think the way the Beatles revolutionised music has been largely forgotton?

[VicarsGoingForGoldInKungFu]

i was as guilty as the next man of slating Macca at the opening of the olympics....but then, DH made some "awwwwwww" noises and started to dig out his Beatles collection,( then his Wings collection, but i forgave him and we are still married).....and then that got me googling and i ended up with Dangermouses The Grey Album.....which got me to listening to The White Album......

and then i got googling a bit more and i think that people forget how they completely revolutionised the music scene, how they started, and how they ended up making some really really excellent music. The White Album is brill. id never really listened to DH beatles albums before tbh.....

and i feel a bit guilty now. Macca did deserve to be at the olympics.....just because he is now 70, and wobbles a bit, doesnt and shouldnt erase the musical history that he and his band mates gave us. He shouldnt be cast aside. (and honestly - if you re watch, the backing track started too early and he only wobbled at the start....he got going and was on tune!)

Now we have simon cowell who tells us what we will buy.....all those other bands that people cited as worthy of playing the opening ceromony......they are only here because the Beatles changed things. They did it first, i just think things have moved on so much and so fast that people forget. I am not a raging Beatles fan, but i acknowledge what they did.

so, it is with hands in pockets and staring at the floor that i say "soz macca". I have travelled the boards and i have said this on many of the nay sayer threads....but we should just stop a mo and go give the White album a listen.....

Song writing talent in the Beatles in order would be, John, Harrison, McCartney and ringo tied 3rd. Octopuses garden is epic.

"Beach Boys heavily influenced by Beatles and freely admitted they were."

I dunno Kurriots. That seems to be rather subjective depending on whose interview you read.

Octopus's.

It is the garden belonging to the octopus.

I guess I really think that musicians influence each other, music constantly evolves and also harks back to previous eras, - that's the beauty of it.
I don't really few any musicians or bands in isolation.

It's trendy and cool to slag Macca off these days. Strange how with the passage of time someone who was a massive heartthrob 40 years ago (blimey, 40!!!) is now ridiculed as a Grecian 2000 grandad.

However personal criticism of him, his wives, kids, thumbs aloft pseudo scouser attitude aside, of course we shouldn't underestimate what he and the Beatles achieved. I disagree with the OP - i think that they will never be forgotten for what they did for modern music by anyone who knows anything about music. For a start when they began, artists did not write their own music on the whole. Where they led everyone followed. Listen to the White Album and Let It be etc and they still knock much of the mindless pop puppet shite around now out of the water.

And i agree George Harrison was a wonderful songwriter.

Mindless music about nowadays? There's always been mindless music, always will be. But there is always decent musicians, artists and bands in amongst it all. It's unfair to write of all music.

I didn't write off all music! I'm a huge Jack White fan for a start. Also Deer Tick, White Denim, Raconteurs etc

But i cannot stand the Cowell industry and i was thinking of bands like One Direction being huge in America for instance.

At least when the Beatles and The Stone made it over there they wrote their own material.

I met him last Wednesday. He is absolutely lovely. Was at an event - he was utterly humble, and very down to earth. As is his new wife, from what I could tell. And he is a brilliant songwriter.

My DP's father is in the music industry and worked with PM in the past (maybe 10 years ago?). He always said that Paul was a decent guy and musician but that he had no 'shit filter'. He would just dump out all this music/lyrics with no awareness of what was great and what was crap and the production team would have to go through all of it as pick out the great bits.

YANBU
I said the very same thing on one of the many threads slagging him off.
The Rolling Stones are a great band but only happened after the Beatles, in fact the Beatles wrote one of their first singles.
Before the Beatles the writer wrote songs and artists performed other people's songs.
The Beatles also changed the way music is recorded. Songs were recorded in the studio as live takes. The Beatles changed that- they used the money they made to buy expensive studio equipment and experimented with recording different parts of songs and mixing them together.
Macca definitely desreved his place on the stage.
I think that some of the people slagging him off have never been to a live gig- it doesn't alwys sound as it does on the record and technical hithes happen. He is what he is- an old man playinh his songs, ok, his voice isn't what it used to be, but so what?

(Applauds insancerre). Problem is, most people's cultural reference points these days are the X Factor and those Andrew Lloyd Webber competitions - i.e. belt out a cover as loudly as you can, wait for audience to go wild as you hit top note. And look pretty. And young, of course.

Music is my thing- I am passionate about it. The X factor isn't music to me.
Musicians make music- the X factor is about making money.

Yabu. I haven't forgotten anything but I still hate the beatles and the music they made. Just 'cause lots of other people liked it doesn't mean I have to!

I haven't forgotten anything, I grew up on my parents' Beatles records and adore some of their music. But not all. Some was pretty twee, and Macca is the twee face of the Beatles, to me. I like some of what he did in collaboration with them, and admire him for that. I like pretty much none of what he's done since. Which, you know, is OK - he's not setting out to please me and only me, is he? But I'm not going to idolise him indefinitely, either. People are just people, and not many people do such great things that I'm going to be all "aww yay" at their every fart.

Octopus'. No additional 's' after an ' if it's already plural.

insanserre - exactly. The beatles did write for The Stones. i didnt really see myself as a beatles fan but i find myself passionately wanting to defend what they did for music.....before them music was different. The Beatles made it world wide.....They were the first band from a working class background that controlled, recorded and wrote for them selves.

Music before them was much as it was now - lots of talent shows - they spawned a whole era of poets, and fashion, and music, it changed things. Everything was london centred, before the beatlles there was Cliff and the Shadows.....they were the big british group at the time.
now compare what they did to the beatles.....the beatles came before the Stones.

im having a listen to rubber soul now.....

macca twee??

go and look at the music he made

i rest my case.....

YANBU

Macca has had no voice for a decade or so now and i wish he would retire.

However, the role the Beatles played in shaping pop music should never be underestimated.

Any person who says the Beatles are overrated is a person who doesn't understand music

Vicars - yes, but so was the bleeding Frog Song. I didn't say everything he did was crap. But a lot of his creative output is not to my taste because - to me, this is totally subjective! - it feels bland. You can't refute that with one good song.

I actually really like the Frog Chorus
I don't really like any of his solo stuff and hated Wings but I did buy the Frog chorus

not with one good song no, but alot of the good songs were his,

eleanor rigby was his. loads of the great songs were his,

admittedly there was no excuse for the bloody frog chorus. i will let him off with one glitch.

he actually did some good stuff with Wings too.....but trying to keep to the Beatles because of their significance and what they changed/achieved, which i just think is sadly not understood by so many these days.....hence the op!