To think Great Britain and England should have different National Antthems

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Following on from the Ryan Giggs and the other non English players in the men's and ladies teams not singing God Save The Queen.

Personally I think it's inevitable that these players migjt not want to or feel odd singing it due to the fact that team GB doesn't exist out side of the Olympics and a) these players will always be used to singing their own Athems before matches, b) God Save etc is Englands anthem too so is always sung by the "opposition" in any home international v England.

If England had their own anthem like the scots and the welsh and GB had its own anthem it wouldn't be a problem.

i prefer jeruslam to be national athem.

Latara you really want the disband all the Home Countries various sports teams and banish the concept of England, Scotland, Wales and N Ireland? And only use the Union Flag? Nah I don't think you would get many agreeing to that!

Ooh, WelshMoth, shall we, shall we?! It could be my first thread... In answer to your question, North, but family in South Ceredigion so can I say - a fence sitter?!

I thought GSTQ was the official anthem and Flower of Scotland and the likes were adopted for when Scotland is playing as a nation but not an official anthem. And no, many Scots will not sing it and wouldn't have been happy to sing it at school, we never did.

GSTQ is a dirge and the verse about the Scots makes it inappropriate anyway.
if I was English I'd want Jerusalem, it's simply beautiful and well, so English - I love it.

DawEtoHaul How would you feel if a national anthen was written by a scot?

Wales has not yet voted for independence, and for this olympics at least they are part of the Great Britain team. The GB team is made up of all four nations. Its impossible to have music written by four seperate composers. What tune do you think would best represent all four nations of Great Britian.

I am sure that I would be perfectly safe in wales. Most welsh are sensible people and not petty minded racists who hate anyone english.

The Northen Irish do not consider themselves to be English and why should they. They are Irish, but have chosen devolution and have their own parliment. Just becuase the majority of Northern Irish don't want to be part of Eire, doesn't mean they aren't irish.

"Since 2003, "God Save the Queen", considered an all inclusive Anthem for Great Britain and Northern Ireland, as well as other countries within the Commonwealth, has been dropped from the Commonwealth Games. Northern Irish athletes receive their gold medals to the tune of the "Londonderry Air", popularly known as "Danny Boy". In 2006, English winners heard Elgar's Pomp and Circumstance March No. 1, usually known as "Land of Hope and Glory",[16] but after a poll conducted by the Commonwealth Games Council for England prior to the 2010 Games, "Jerusalem" was adopted as England's new Commonwealth Games anthem. In sports in which the UK competes as one nation, most notably as Great Britain at the Olympics, "God Save the Queen" is used to represent anyone or any team that comes from the United Kingdom."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Save_the_Queen

Very tempted Daw!
Alas, I'm a Southerner but totally in cariad with the gogledd. A truly beautiful part of the world.

God Save The Queen is a rubbish national anthem.

Primarily because it mentions nothing about the nation.

I do like Jerusalem - but very mystifyingly, we used to sing it at the ends of terms at the school I went to for my last two years..... which was very definitely in Scotland. So especially at the end of the summer terms, everyone would be busy getting emotional about it, when the words were clearly referring to a different country. Odd.

Anyway yes the English need an anthem of their own and to stop nicking the UK one for their own purposes

There is so much wrong with your post I don't know where to start, ReallyTired.

"The Northen Irish do not consider themselves to be English and why should they. They are Irish, but have chosen devolution and have their own parliment. Just becuase the majority of Northern Irish don't want to be part of Eire, doesn't mean they aren't irish"

You mean British, not English. And plenty of NI people DO consider themselves British, and plenty don't. And some consider themselves Irish, and many don't. And devolution...no, they never chose that because they don't have that, they have a power sharing agreement.
Also, its not Eire unless you are speaking Irish. And "Danny Boy" was written over the tune "the Derry Air", its not two names for the same song.

God Save the Queen is the worst anthem in the world. Entreating a mythical being to look after one of the worlds most pampered and rich women, its a disgrace. How can a national anthem be all about one person, based on one religion?

Why not play the European national anthem in german.

or better still...

Come and join us welshmoth on the other thread.

Still to you, really

redlac - I'm thinking you may be right!

Desertgirl, the English "nick the anthem"?

Good lord, they're welcome to it. God Save the Queen is a dreadful dirge, nothing to do with nation and anti Scottish.

I just wish that if we ever did sort all this out, GSTQ wouldn't be the British or even UK national anthem.

Well yes it isn't great as a tune, but it is a little galling that the same anthem is used 'for us' and 'against us'. Probably more conscious of this atm because having difficulty getting concepts of Scottishness and Britishness etc across to DC (expats...)