To be seething at the young mum bashing on the Wright Stuff?

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Argh, yes they all sit in front of TV eating pizza, the babies simply levitate out of their cots and feed,change and tend to themselves

Outraged Why do people on MN accuse anyone who talks about a certain group of people as 'bashing'. Debate about benefits = benefit bashing. Debate about any aspect of disability = Disability bashing

I think its because certain groups get ignored and seem immune to any form of debate/bashing. You don't ever hear these "debates" about feckless young men who sleep around and treat women badly, married men who go online to cheat, golddiggers who just get married for the money and an easy life, and so on. Its always the same groups that are targetted while others who could legitimately be said to form part of a "grouping" are completely ignored by the media.

Gold diggers who get married for the money don't tent to cost the state and men who cheat online don't tend to cost the state, whereas teenage Mums do. TWS was talking about the question 'Do young Mums breed young Mums'? There are different experiences and opinions on that, so there is something to talk about.

If they asked the question 'Are people wrong to marry just for money?' I don't think there would be much t talk about. It's wrong if one person doesn't know the reason, but if both people are open to it then that's up to them because it has no effect on anyone else. Debate over.

Your examples would make fairly uninteresting topics.

Totally agree with Freddos

They do cost the state money Outraged - when they split up and leave a former partner on benefits, for example. And feckless young men fathering multiple children most certainly cost the state a great deal indeed.

Also agree with Freddos - which is why some subjects do remain undiscussed on here. If you're not 'bashing' you'll be an 'apologist' or a 'Tory' or who knows what. It IS pathetic.

I think Mathew is quite lovely and very much at one with us wimen. Don't get the hate.

Why is it always the men who are feckless?

For every feckless man who gets a woman pregnant, there's a feckless woman willing to sleep with him...often knowing that if the relationship goes tits up, they'll have to claim benefits because they don't have the means to provide for the baby either.

I like the write stuff

But that may be purely because it is just AIBU but on the Telly

Wright* stuff

Fucking autocorrect!

Matthew talk about autocorrect tomorrow mate, bane of my life. It's a ploy by apple and the phone companies to make us send more texts. I am SURE of it!

Outraged- Mr Wright had a rant about how if he could have a lark on benefits he would too.

its was very offensive.

I was a young mother by Accident contraceptive failed. not 12 btw was over 18 and I still got that response.

no matter what circumstances young mothers are always vilified its really disgraceful and pathetic.

I was 19 when DS was born and was called a "Young Mother" which was silly, I was a grown women.

At what age do you become an "Adult Mother"?

exactly

I was nearly 20 FFS.

woman

Whoops.

I think it is true that young mums seem to beget young mums. I wonder why? Just going on personal experience here. Having said that, I do not think that young mums or old mums are in any way better or worse that each other.

Well I was 24 when I had DS and I was considered a 'young mother' and I got tutted at in the street!

I was 31 when I had DD and got nothing

So I suspect you become an 'adult mother' somewhere between 25 and 30!

Yes, women seem to get "bashed" for having children beyond a very finite time span. I think it might be 25 - 30 FolkGirl as before that they are "teenage mothers", "young mothers", "should be getting educated/working mothers" and afterwards they should be SAHMS/concentrating on their career, depending on who you're speaking to and after that of course they get into possibly increased risk of medical complications territory!

It really is ridiculous though that the male contributors get off scott-free from all this bashing. There seems to be an attitude of great indulgence in this country towards bad behaviour in men, which is enouraged by the media, alongside vilifying women and urging them to be saintly at all corners.

The prison population is predominately male, most crimes are committed by males, therefore they use up a higher proportion of taxes in paying for this. Wheres the media perspective on this?

Psammead I agree, and I think it depends what the definition of 'young mothers' in use is.

Several years ago they did a study in America in an area with a really high rate of teen pregnancy. They found that there were several predictive factors (their mothers were teen mothers, poor school attendance, absent fathers, low education and career aspirations, poor self esteem) and that teen mums did indeed beget teen mums.

They put programmes in place to raise the aspirations and educational opportunities of young mums and improve parenting skills and the rates dropped.

Some women are natural born mothers at any age. Some women are 'accidental young mothers' and some don't have enough motivation to not become pregnant.

If you fall into the latter category, it is more likely that your daughter will become a teen mother.

The fact that it is associated generally with low academic achievement, poor employment prospects and poverty is why it's seen as a negative thing.

geegee the media is owned by men, The country is ruled largely by men.

They're hardly going to stand up there and say "God, loads of our own are really quite crap aren't they!"

And after all, it was Eve who tempted Adam originally, so men are just the victims of those wily female temptresses. Leading them on and enticing them away from their senses and better judgement...

And they believed that women were the irrational, hysterical and emotional ones!

shitting hell im going to hide behind the sofa because its going to become one of those conversations.

fwiw i think if we are talking about under 16's then bash away but bash at the right people that may not be the girl or just the girl.

over 16's well bash them if there shite parents but dont if there not.age is irrellivant

Folkgirl, that's very interesting. It does seem to imply poverty/working class status when people talk about young mothers, doesn't it? The class system strikes again It's all a bit unfair when young, working class pregnant women are seen as society's scum, whereas slightly older, middle class preggos are people to be respected and pampered.

Wright's, just jealous that he can't have babies

But I agree entirely that it's whether you are a GOOD parent or not that matters. A person under 16 is very likely to struggle to be a good parent, for lots of reasons, but it doesn't mean that they can't be.

Encouraging your teenagers to be aspirational is very important, I think.

the slightly older middle class preggos are a lot less likely to need support from the State, so therefore their middleclassness and their oldness is their own business and should not trouble you

I had my first baby at 14 and don't even once recall receiving negative comments from anyone. The only thing I remember is an old lady once telling me how kind I was to take my baby brother out for my mum to give her a break. I was in my school uniform on a bus with him.

The must have been comments and tutting. I suspect I was so busy with my son I didn't notice.