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to change my mind and tell the school I don't want dd to have cervical cancer jab?

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lowfatiscrap12 · 09/07/2012 12:49

Yes, I know there's another (very long) thread about vaccines.
I was going to post my question there, but thought it would be lost under twenty odd pages of replies.
Last week I gave dd1 (aged 12) a consent form to have all 3 of her vaccinations for cervical cancer.
Now I should point out that I am very pro-vaccination. All three of my dc's have had, after plenty of research and reading by me, all of their childhood vaccinations. I've read and researched and looked at all the pros and cons and am generally pro vax.
But I've been umming and ahhing over this one.
I've checked and it's Gardasil she'd be having.
I've looked at the reasons for and against it.
I decided last week that the benefits outweighed the negatives, but now I'm wavering slightly.
I'm 39. I didn't have cervical cancer vaccinations at school.
I had safe sex and smear tests.
I've read about some of the side effects of Gardasil and I'm now quite tempted to phone the school and ask them to destroy my consent letter. Or send another letter in. Or just keep dd at home the day they do the HPV jabs.
AIBU?
What does everyone on Mumsnet think about the new HPV vaccine?

OP posts:
RevoltingPeasant · 09/07/2012 18:42

Cote, sorry, I am really confused. What 8yo and what vaccine? I would always tell a child what their medical treatment was for if they were verbal enough to understand. Can't imagine doing differently.

Of course I don't think 12yos are women, but I do think they are of an age where a dr would talk to them as well as to parents, and I honestly think you wouldn't find an NHS GP who would go along with a plan of lying to a 12yo.

Anyway, whatever, we differ

CoteDAzur · 09/07/2012 18:44

Where I live, girls have smear tests whenever they ask for it, usually when first show their faces at a gynaecologist for the pill.

This isn't about me, by the way. It's about whoever said maybe vaccine isn't a good idea because it would cause complacency about smear tests.

CoteDAzur · 09/07/2012 18:49

Revolting - Do you not have boosters in the UK? And if so, do you really explain the diseases they prevent and ask for your DD's consent at the age of 8 or whenever?

My point was that not allowing a potentially life saving vaccine because the knowledge of it might cause complacency is very unreasonable. If people are so worried about this, they can just not tell what the vaccine is about. That is all I am saying.

Potentially saving your DD's life is slightly more important than sticking to the principle that you will always be 100% honest with her, I would think.

NowThenWreck · 09/07/2012 18:52

They used to smear test from the time girls were sexually active.
Then they decided that, because a girls body is still biologically adolescent until around 20, and this was showing abnormal results, that post 20 was better.
Recently PCT's, in their wisdom Hmm have deemed 25 to be the age that women begin to get smears.
In Shullbit's case, I reckon she needs a colcoscopy, which is where they get a camera up there and have a really good look. They can also take a biopsy while they are doing it.
Shullbit-don't get fobbed off. Try another GP and refuse to leave until you get referred immediately to a specialist. You GP is a twat.

In the OP's case, if a vaccine exists to help prevent a cancer, why the hell wouldn't you vaccinate your child with it? If the vaccine was to prevent breast cancer would you even think twice?
I hate that because this virus is linked to sex, people get their knickers in a twist about it.
The vaccine helps, condoms help, being responsible helps. Anything that helps ward of the evil cervical cancer is all good.

SCOTCHandWRY · 09/07/2012 18:52

SHULLBIT, (and others who are sexually active, with symptoms) Change GP's or get a private smear, your age should absolutely NOT be a reason for you to be denied a smear (as this would be a diagnostic test, not "screening"), if you have worrying symptoms - fair enough for the GP to test for infections first (very common), but referral/investigation should follow swiftly if no resolution.

Bumbbelymummy, if you had been vaccinated, it is very, very unlikely you would have developed those abnormal cells in the first place! That is the whole point of the vaccination program, to prevent cancer, which is much better than catching it early and treating it while it's "pre-cancer" ...... as you know, the treatment at that very early stage is not pleasant and may need to be done again (either cells are missed, or further abnormal areas can develop). My very good friend eventually had a cone biopsy in her 20's and was told it would increase her risk of miscarriage/premature labour......... prevention is surely better than cure.

And this vaccine will prevent almost all cases of Cervical cancer and most cases of a number of other types of cancer (of the penis, anus, Vulva, throat, mouth, tongue) in both males and females in people who get vaccinated (as I said upthread, I paid a lot of money to have my DS's vaccinated with Gardasil last year).

Why do so many people on this thread think that because this vaccine prevents most HPV cancers (saving thousands of lives a year), rather than all of them, it's not a good idea? No vaccine prevents disease 100%! Does that mean we just shouldn't bother?

Hopeforever · 09/07/2012 19:27

Seeker - there are documented cases of autoimmune disease after vaccinations. Some forms of arthritis are autoimmune and are known to be a side effect. How many it's too early to tell.

www.iaamovement.org/Autoimmune_Arthritis_BQVI.html

Link to vaccine

www.whale.to/v/arthritis8.html

I repeat, it's only the few, but how many is acceptable?

Hopeforever · 09/07/2012 19:30

Sorry, me again, this is the jab I had that proceeded my autoimmune illness. Can't be proved but....

rheumatology.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/10/978.full

pinguthepenguin · 09/07/2012 19:51

Like Herpes, condoms don't protect against HPV completely. It can be in the general pubic area not covered by condoms, especially if they have the wart-causing strains. I think when it comes to this particular virus 'safe sex' is a lot harder to achieve that you think.
I'm all for the vaccine.

LeBFG · 09/07/2012 19:52

OK, I understand the POV of anti-vaxers (don't agree mind). But...

There seems to be a group on here who come over all queasy with this HPV vax and I have to assume it's because they are facing DD having sex. This is certainly the case with my neighbour. If DD stands on a rusty nail would you consult your DD about having a tetnus, discussing pros and cons etc etc or do you just get it done?

LeBFG · 09/07/2012 20:00

Purlease Hope.

Arthritis can be autoimmune - so what?

Second link is to a website with topics that include mind control. Please find a link to a peer reviewed immunology paper.

How many is acceptable? That depends on how many are saved by the vaccine. If three people get arthritis for every 100 that do not die from cervical cancer then I think that's tolerable.

MammaTJ · 09/07/2012 20:05

My DD and I discussed it at length and she decided to get it done. She had been off sick with apendicitis when all the others had it. She decided to get it done and made doctors appointment herself to have it.

I have a DD age 6 and hope that by the time she gets offered it, it will be clearer and easier to make the decision.

Shullbit · 09/07/2012 20:06

Sorry, wasn't being rude. Been a bit preoccupied.

Thank you to all who have given me information and advice. I really do appreciate it. I had gotten to the point of thinking I was wasting the doctors time, but now realise that isn't the case and I need to demand an investigation. Thanks for the push ladies Thanks

bumbleymummy · 09/07/2012 20:09

Actually cote, I had the Lletz procedure which uses a hit loop to cut them away - I was typing quickly earlier.

bumbleymummy · 09/07/2012 20:09

Hot*

bumbleymummy · 09/07/2012 20:12

Cote, it was me who said that some medical professionals have expressed concerns about complacency.

dottyspotty2 · 09/07/2012 20:12

Bear in mind whatever you decide to do that your daughter has the right to choose for herself if she wants it or not.

Catzzndogzz · 09/07/2012 20:14

A dad here. I have two girls, 12 and 14. Let's be grown -up and live in the real world. An analogy -if I take my kids to a malaria area, I will give them the appropriate prophylaxis and not just advise them to wear long sleeves and trousers around dusk and to use a moquito net.

Catzzndogzz · 09/07/2012 20:15

A dad here. I have two girls, 12 and 14. Let's be grown -up and live in the real world. An analogy -if I take my kids to a malaria area, I will give them the appropriate prophylaxis and not just advise them to wear long sleeves and trousers around dusk and to use a moquito net.

pumpkinsweetie · 09/07/2012 20:19

All my dds will be having it when they are old enough.
Cervical cancer is a killer, this injection protects against some forms of it.
I want my dcs to be protected from cancer as much as possible and that is all i care about.
It is your decision op, but imo it is a risk worth taking over a deadly disease like cancer.

dottyspotty2 · 09/07/2012 20:25

Smear tests are now from 20 unless a high risk case when it can be younger.

LeeCoakley · 09/07/2012 20:25

Remember that this vaccine has never been tested on the target group and has never been proven to work. Unlike malaria tablets.

toptramp · 09/07/2012 20:29

Hi op. YABU. How can you be sure that your dd will have safe sex consistently etc? You would be in denial to think it's a given. Plus cervical cancer isn't necessarily a result of sexual promiscuity. Cancer can happen to anyone. I watched mum die of cancer and it is the most hidious disease.
It basically eats you alive. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
If you have no problem with vaccinations why risk it?

toptramp · 09/07/2012 20:30

Oh and btw; mum didn't drink, smoke or have multiple partners and mouth cancer still got her.

LeBFG · 09/07/2012 20:35

First hit on google.

^VLP vaccines were evaluated in phase IIb trials
(i.e., proof-of-concept trials) that enrolled young women
(15?26 years of age) from both developed and developing
countries.^

^Both vaccines have the
potential to substantially reduce HPV-related morbidity and
mortality.^

CoteDAzur · 09/07/2012 20:38

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